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Post by farma on Feb 9, 2015 9:26:01 GMT 12
It was a heavy contact and Karl didnt come back out in the 3rd v 4th race so was either hurt or stood down as Elsworth came out in the car for the last race but never raced it. I think I remembered hearing from the track commentators that Karl Ross was injured, with David Elsworth taking his place Yes that is what I heard too, and he did get seen by the medical crew on track immediately after the incident (after the race). |
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Post by Colin E on Feb 9, 2015 9:32:46 GMT 12
glad to see alstars win, need to drop ridland though Is there a reason why you say this? Do you have someone else in mind that wants to Teams Race for the Allstars? |
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 9, 2015 9:42:14 GMT 12
What was up with Marx over the weekend is normally very consistent but in one race let the lead car lap him on several occasions while sitting on the pole line and then in one race Taniwha had taken a car to the wall and Marx put in a reasonable hit on Taniwha wasnt even close to hitting the opposition car?
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Post by beachboy on Feb 9, 2015 9:51:05 GMT 12
Hope Cookster and 4zfed have there cars ready for the Auckland teams.
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Post by mordecai on Feb 9, 2015 9:56:37 GMT 12
glad to see alstars win, need to drop ridland though Is there a reason why you say this? Do you have someone else in mind that wants to Teams Race for the Allstars? I would love to see taniwha in a super and see what he is capable of coz he did a bloody gr8 job in the stockcar |
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Post by boner87 on Feb 9, 2015 10:54:41 GMT 12
I can't remember seeing on here any comment about Karl Ross taking Scott Miers and Joblin hard into the turn one concrete after the chequered flag in the semi final. Maybe no one had a problem with it because it wasn't a PN car committing an indiscretion. You get the feeling with the anti-Palmy bias that is clear amongst most on here that the internet would have been broken with people crying foul if it was a Palmy car that did the hitting after the flag. I wouldn't say Ross took them in as to they were all flying towards the finish Ross saw the flag as he went past hit picks gave the two in front a nudge and then they all played bounce with the wall. The two P cars acted after in a way that they didn't really care about it |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 11:07:49 GMT 12
I thought the rules were if you move on the red lights after coming to a stop then thats you you were instantly taken off? So if thats the case i believe the race should have been stopped and miers taken off also Trevor Mason moved back on a red light without anyone telling him to so i also think that should of been him off. Rules are rules and if there in the rule book they should be inforced... I also thought your wing had to be withen the drip rails of your body? If so how did the 5a Allstars car pass scrutineering palmy are usually so anal about everything at scrutineering.  |
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Post by tony27 on Feb 9, 2015 11:20:18 GMT 12
You're being rather picky there, I'm sure there were a lot more drivers would have been parked on the infield if you had your way like Regan O'Brien who came off the wall as the lights came on & then got moved back to where he had been on the wall
No one wants a repeat of last years Friday night where races were stopped every second lap to remove cars for things that are normally sorted after the race
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Post by screaminV8 on Feb 9, 2015 11:32:41 GMT 12
On the live stream it appeared something was about to happen there, but we did not see it Tanky Franky. Ross was certainly running quickly, so I'm assuming it would have been heavy contact. Barry B Certainly was, and I think he banged himself up more than them though! |
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Post by screaminV8 on Feb 9, 2015 11:41:31 GMT 12
You're being rather picky there, I'm sure there were a lot more drivers would have been parked on the infield if you had your way like Regan O'Brien who came off the wall as the lights came on & then got moved back to where he had been on the wall No one wants a repeat of last years Friday night where races were stopped every second lap to remove cars for things that are normally sorted after the race AGREE!!!! the last thing that should ever happen in a Teams race situation is to start removing cars for MINOR indescretions or technicalities - hey there is only 8 cars to start with, and thats a 1/3 of what you normally want for a top notch race in non-Teams! There is no winner when there is more cars on the infield than the track! Even "being the cause of a red light" rule annoys me sometimes - what a waste of a perfectly good car and driver if they have actually re-fired etc. I thought the refs did a superb job this year - red lights for SAFETY issues, and not much else. Thats how it should be - its speedway after all! If you want millimetre precision and highly technical rules go and watch the cricket. |
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Post by screaminV8 on Feb 9, 2015 11:43:15 GMT 12
Is there a reason why you say this? Do you have someone else in mind that wants to Teams Race for the Allstars? I would love to see taniwha in a super and see what he is capable of coz he did a bloody gr8 job in the stockcar And his stockcar is for sale. Thinking what I'm thinking??? :-) |
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Post by Admin on Feb 9, 2015 11:44:30 GMT 12
I thought the rules were if you move on the red lights after coming to a stop then thats you you were instantly taken off? So if thats the case i believe the race should have been stopped and miers taken off also Trevor Mason moved back on a red light without anyone telling him to so i also think that should of been him off. Rules are rules and if there in the rule book they should be inforced... I also thought your wing had to be withen the drip rails of your body? If so how did the 5a Allstars car pass scrutineering palmy are usually so anal about everything at scrutineering. Miers didn't move on a red light , there was no light. he moved during the delay between the red and green. You probably need to think about all these things happening in the context of the Teams Champs and the pressure on the drivers. I'm not sure why you need to 'thought the rules were'. The rule book is online so you can 'know the rule' www.speedway.co.nz/pdf/Rulebook/2014%20Rulebook.pdf |
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Post by steelpanther on Feb 9, 2015 12:30:46 GMT 12
Like ScreaminV8 said I'd much prefer a full compliment of cars than seeing guys removed for minor indiscretions. As a paying punter that's what I'm paying for. To remove Scott Meirs for moving slightly would have been a crime.
As far as the Allstars go I thought they did pretty well all things considered. 5th last year and 6th this year after losing Scott Tenant after only the first race. Carl Hodge is still a force to be reckoned with and has a bright future. He didn't have a good first night but more than made up for it on night two. I think Bryce had car issues all weekend and even to be on the track on night two was an effort hence why he struggled to be as effective as he usually is. As far as Gavin is concerned he was Auckland's (All)star this weekend. Great blocking in every race and even chipped in with a win too. I'm wondering how much better it would have been for Auckland if they were able to have Scott running all weekend.
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Post by Dirt_Fan on Feb 9, 2015 12:45:26 GMT 12
I thought the rules were if you move on the red lights after coming to a stop then thats you you were instantly taken off? So if thats the case i believe the race should have been stopped and miers taken off also Trevor Mason moved back on a red light without anyone telling him to so i also think that should of been him off. Rules are rules and if there in the rule book they should be inforced... I also thought your wing had to be withen the drip rails of your body? If so how did the 5a Allstars car pass scrutineering palmy are usually so anal about everything at scrutineering. Miers didn't move on a red light , there was no light. he moved during the delay between the red and green. You probably need to think about all these things happening in the context of the Teams Champs and the pressure on the drivers. Really, semantics? He was chasing down the lead car for the opposition, he was CLEARLY moving while the opposition car was sitting still (as he should have been) 8p would have had distance and speed on him. Nothing ever came of it as 8p never caught him so the refs got it right in THIS CASE because the infringement didn't affect the race but would you be so blasé if 8p had caught the lead car for the other team and taken him out and stopped him. It really sounds like all some people want is a free for all with the only rule being "don't kill anyone" but make sure the punters are entertained. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 9, 2015 12:58:05 GMT 12
Miers didn't move on a red light , there was no light. he moved during the delay between the red and green. You probably need to think about all these things happening in the context of the Teams Champs and the pressure on the drivers. Really, semantics? He was chasing down the lead car for the opposition, he was CLEARLY moving while the opposition car was sitting still (as he should have been) 8p would have had distance and speed on him. Nothing ever came of it as 8p never caught him so the refs got it right in THIS CASE because the infringement didn't affect the race but would you be so blasé if 8p had caught the lead car for the other team and taken him out and stopped him. It really sounds like all some people want is a free for all with the only rule being "don't kill anyone" but make sure the punters are entertained. The point I'm making is he went a tad early , checked up (not stopped again but slowed up). He offended and I hope was dealt with by the ref. If he had gone when the light was actually red then I think he should have been pulled off(there is a safety aspect associated with red lights) |
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 9, 2015 13:09:54 GMT 12
Hope Cookster and 4zfed have there cars ready for the Auckland teams. Another brainless post BeachBall honestly. It's a discussion board I was merely asking the question and as somebody has already answered Marx was having car troubles. I actually think Marx is quite effective at his best..and think Auckland did very well..would of been awesome if they had Scott all weekend. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 13:12:45 GMT 12
I thought the rules were if you move on the red lights after coming to a stop then thats you you were instantly taken off? So if thats the case i believe the race should have been stopped and miers taken off also Trevor Mason moved back on a red light without anyone telling him to so i also think that should of been him off. Rules are rules and if there in the rule book they should be inforced... I also thought your wing had to be withen the drip rails of your body? If so how did the 5a Allstars car pass scrutineering palmy are usually so anal about everything at scrutineering. Miers didn't move on a red light , there was no light. he moved during the delay between the red and green. You probably need to think about all these things happening in the context of the Teams Champs and the pressure on the drivers. I'm not sure why you need to 'thought the rules were'. The rule book is online so you can 'know the rule' www.speedway.co.nz/pdf/Rulebook/2014%20Rulebook.pdfThe rules ARE THERE in the rule book so whats the point of having them in there they do not get inforced? Im not bagging anyone im on no ones side but if you are not going to inforce the rule whats the point of having them rule in the book? |
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Post by MadPhil53a on Feb 9, 2015 13:13:53 GMT 12
As far as the Allstars go I thought they did pretty well all things considered. 5th last year and 6th this year after losing Scott Tenant after only the first race. Carl Hodge is still a force to be reckoned with and has a bright future. He didn't have a good first night but more than made up for it on night two. I think Bryce had car issues all weekend and even to be on the track on night two was an effort hence why he struggled to be as effective as he usually is. As far as Gavin is concerned he was Auckland's (All)star this weekend. Great blocking in every race and even chipped in with a win too. I'm wondering how much better it would have been for Auckland if they were able to have Scott running all weekend. The Chev in Bryce's car (63a) had engine trouble at the end of the first race on Friday night putting it down to 7 cylinders. But with Scott (29a) being out the option was to either run with 3 cars or put the 63a car on track. The damage couldn't get fix on Saturday, but Dad still let the car go out to get 4 cars on track. This mean Bryce was more of a sitting duck and took a huge hit which basically broke all the steering. After a butchered fix he went out again for the last race but the steering box pretty much shattered and the steering wheel basically free wheeling. The car has taken huge damage, engine now only running on half the number of cylinders and not even sure at the moment if it can be repaired for the Auckland Teams. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 9, 2015 13:23:18 GMT 12
The rules ARE THERE in the rule book so whats the point of having them in there they do not get inforced? Im not bagging anyone im on no ones side but if you are not going to inforce the rule whats the point of having them rule in the book? What rule wasn't enforced , I haven't looked up the wing rule so you might have one there but when you said 'I thought the rules were' that you hadn't either. For many of the transgressions there appears to be no set penalty and we have no knowledge whether any of the enforcement options were applied by the Ref. We shouldn't assume there were no penalties handed down because we didn't see them happen on the track or the commentators never told us. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 9, 2015 13:35:04 GMT 12
I also thought your wing had to be withen the drip rails of your body? If so how did the 5a Allstars car pass scrutineering palmy are usually so anal about everything at scrutineering. T12-1-20 WING DIMENSIONS It must not exceed the width and length of the car roof (for the purposes of interpretation the roof includes front visors or moulded rear spoilers). T12-1-21 WING MEASUREMENTS Maximum wing assembly measurements: (i) Length = 1200mm (ii) Height = 600mm (iii) Width = 770mm There certainly appears to be an issue with 5a and the wing being longer than the length of the car roof. I doubt it's longer than 1200mm What I don't know is the method used to get the car to comform but a couple of guesses are. 1/ written in log book and given time to rectify 2/ can't race at all like that 3/  ?? |
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