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Post by tony68 on Feb 9, 2018 11:05:18 GMT 12
My opinion the referees at the teams Champs do a great job and all are experienced ex racers.Just like in a game of rugby if the referee listened to every idiot on the sidelines you would have nothing more than a joke!!!!!!!.Roll on next year's teams Champs! Maybe they should bring back the 44 gallon drums to help!ha ha
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Post by go29 on Feb 9, 2018 12:24:32 GMT 12
Were they surprised when he didnt hear them yelling??  Oh and you don't yell at the TV? Having a giggle mate, lighten up. I yelled at Jason Long to get a move on instead of blocking the 1NZ in the final, if only he had listened to me ae! You'd be a much happier man me thinks  |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 9, 2018 12:37:07 GMT 12
Oh and you don't yell at the TV? Having a giggle mate, lighten up. I yelled at Jason Long to get a move on instead of blocking the 1NZ in the final, if only he had listened to me ae! You'd be a much happier man me thinks Only slightly. |
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Post by zoom on Feb 9, 2018 14:42:30 GMT 12
Why Don't you give the guy a break he turn the gut around on the track then the speed they where going you will never stop it in the time space he had witch was only 2 secs and the car was suck on the side of the car then he couldn't use the steering and plus he is not the only one that did it 19c did it way worst after the FLAG HAS Dropped and Frankie did the same thing so why don't all you keyboard warriors go complain about something else
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Post by percy on Feb 9, 2018 16:39:14 GMT 12
Why Don't you give the guy a break he turn the gut around on the track then the speed they where going you will never stop it in the time space he had witch was only 2 secs and the car was suck on the side of the car then he couldn't use the steering and plus he is not the only one that did it 19c did it way worst after the FLAG HAS Dropped and Frankie did the same thing so why don't all you keyboard warriors go complain about something else Quite the debut post. Perhaps rather than chastising people for having a discussion on a discussion board you may wish to disclose your affiliation? |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 9, 2018 17:32:30 GMT 12
Why Don't you give the guy a break he turn the gut around on the track then the speed they where going you will never stop it in the time space he had witch was only 2 secs and the car was suck on the side of the car then he couldn't use the steering and plus he is not the only one that did it 19c did it way worst after the FLAG HAS Dropped and Frankie did the same thing so why don't all you keyboard warriors go complain about something else Quite the debut post. Perhaps rather than chastising people for having a discussion on a discussion board you may wish to disclose your affiliation? Or come back with a post we can decipher. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 9, 2018 18:10:32 GMT 12
Why Don't you give the guy a break he turn the gut around on the track then the speed they where going you will never stop it in the time space he had witch was only 2 secs and the car was suck on the side of the car then he couldn't use the steering and plus he is not the only one that did it 19c did it way worst after the FLAG HAS Dropped and Frankie did the same thing so why don't all you keyboard warriors go complain about something else Quite the debut post. Perhaps rather than chastising people for having a discussion on a discussion board you may wish to disclose your affiliation? I thought this was a better debut post; "01259"....... .......in a thread on the Openwheel Board last night. Not only that, it was over two years since the previous post in the thread. Now THAT takes some beating for a first post. Barry B |
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Post by southsuperstock on Feb 9, 2018 19:18:13 GMT 12
Teams Racing Code of Ethics Page6 (c) Relegation of finishing positions. (d) Exclusion from the results of the race. (e) Exclusion from the remainder of the event. (f) Suspension for up to 15 days (Referee) or 22 days (Senior Referee), starting from the date of the offence. (g) Reporting a competitor within seven days of the date of the offence to the Board, for possible fur- ther penalty. (h) In a worst case scenario, the entire team can be excluded. POLELINE & INFIELD R12-4-34 The infield is a safety zone for infield staff and officials. Racing across or through the infield is prohibit- ed. R12-4-35 Poleline: Placing one or more wheels off the racing surface is a breach of the rules. Competitors cannot cut the pole, at any point, to hit another competitor or pass a vehicle. R12-4-36 A competitor forced over the poleline must disengage and return to the racing surface behind the competitor that forced them over the poleline. R12-4-37 If a competitor forces a car over the poleline, they must also "disengage" and cannot continue to force the opposing vehicle further onto the infield. R12-4-38 The car that was forced over the poleline must return to the track behind the forcer, on the same straight or corner. If the competitor that forced the car over the poleline chooses to sit there, the car forced over must do a u turn on the infield and return to the track, behind the opposing car. R12-4-39 Attacking a competitor from inside the poleline is prohibited. R12-4-40 Attacking a competitor from the track, who is on the infield, is prohibited. R12-4-41 Seeking sanctuary on the infield is prohibited (i.e. to avoid contact or assess the race). At the Referee’s discretion they may choose not to penalise a competitor who for safety reasons only, briefly drove in- field - i.e. to catch their breath, tighten their belts etc. Have a read regarding disengage, I have no problem with how the rules are written, but with the referee saying "had the attack been on lead GB car it would have been a total different story" Why should it be any different??? Ive read the code of ethics, and copied some of them here for you, still cant see anything regarding lead cars, last cars infringments / penalties Thanks You seem to have missed the part of the rules that says " The penalties listed below are at the discretion of the Referee". In other words the opinion of the referee of the seriousness of the offence will determine what penalty he applies. Different penalty would have been applied if it was the lead car involved. Your issue seems to be with the referee's decision and possibly your personal feelings about the Palmy team or Wayne Hemi are clouding your judgement. I believe The referee acted correctly, you dont. We are all entitled to our opinion but the Referee's opinion is the only one that counts, get over it. No, my issue is not with the referee's decision of the incident in this thred, (that decision is fine) the Palmy Team, or Wayne Hemi, the Panthers are a great bunch of guys, Wayne has done plenty for the sport, he runs 3 cars, travels the country, tries new things, built a new Vendetta chassis, you have to have respect that, so my judgement is not clouded. As previously stated, why should it matter if its a lead car or last car that gets taken out, the penalty should be the same, the referee suggested it would be different, that is what previous comments have said, it doesnt make sense, Over it ages ago, hope you see the point, as others have.  |
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Post by midway on Feb 9, 2018 19:29:42 GMT 12
On the job ,
I try and make a couple of bob
High in a pylon amongst 33000 volts ,
Only to know there is 4 pages of so called speedway folk undoing the nuts and bolts ,
Over the years ive enjoyed racing my car,and try to understand the fools ,
Or would it be far better just to pack up the tools ..
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Post by BarryB on Feb 9, 2018 19:40:14 GMT 12
On the job , I try and make a couple of bob High in a pylon amongst 33000 volts , Only to know there is 4 pages of so called speedway folk undoing the nuts and bolts , Over the years ive enjoyed racing my car,and try to understand the rules , Or would it be far better just to pack up the tools .. Rules and tools.......you missed a great opportunity to use fools there midway... Barry B |
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Post by graemeh on Feb 9, 2018 22:11:49 GMT 12
As previously stated, why should it matter if its a lead car or last car that gets taken out, the penalty should be the same, the referee suggested it would be different, that is what previous comments have said, it doesnt make sense, Over it ages ago, hope you see the point, as others have. It does make sense because its the drivers who make the Rules by way of Remits voted on at conference. If the drivers chose to, they have the ability to change the rule, as you would like to see, to "the penalty should be the same regardless of it being the lead car or the last car". |
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Post by maninstand on Feb 10, 2018 9:22:33 GMT 12
It would be interesting if Wayne dropped his "both cars or no cars" stance, Jordan would probably get selected without question, but would the team selectors then have the balls to not select Wayne? That selection policy is a joke. Palmy have no balls. If a guy being selected for a rugby team said it’s both of us instead of one I’m sure they’d say sweet see ya later then. The sport will always be full of back scratchers until refs selectors and promoters grow some balls and make some tough calls. It also happened when 1NZ got pushed onto the grass then seen vickery coming who was lead car at time and drove straight off middle of turn and had a go at him in mid turn 1 and 2. I have also seen 591 with a go pro in for teams weekend. I bet you my life that footage would of vanished into thin air. |
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Post by maninstand on Feb 10, 2018 9:27:53 GMT 12
Why Don't you give the guy a break he turn the gut around on the track then the speed they where going you will never stop it in the time space he had witch was only 2 secs and the car was suck on the side of the car then he couldn't use the steering and plus he is not the only one that did it 19c did it way worst after the FLAG HAS Dropped and Frankie did the same thing so why don't all you keyboard warriors go complain about something else Quite the debut post. Perhaps rather than chastising people for having a discussion on a discussion board you may wish to disclose your affiliation? Haha my thoughts too |
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Post by Go Slideways on Feb 10, 2018 11:21:43 GMT 12
[/quote]That selection policy is a joke. Palmy have no balls. If a guy being selected for a rugby team said it’s both of us instead of one I’m sure they’d say sweet see ya later then. The sport will always be full of back scratchers until refs selectors and promoters grow some balls and make some tough calls. It also happened when 1NZ got pushed onto the grass then seen vickery coming who was lead car at time and drove straight off middle of turn and had a go at him in mid turn 1 and 2. I have also seen 591 with a go pro in for teams weekend. I bet you my life that footage would of vanished into thin air. [/quote]
Wayne Hemi won this years Manawatu Superstock Champs and came 3rd at the World 240's this year. His car has been fast and reliable.
Who would you have selected in his place? bearing in mind that Chev and Gavin may have wanted to race together.
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Post by mordecai on Feb 10, 2018 11:53:28 GMT 12
That selection policy is a joke. Palmy have no balls. If a guy being selected for a rugby team said it’s both of us instead of one I’m sure they’d say sweet see ya later then. The sport will always be full of back scratchers until refs selectors and promoters grow some balls and make some tough calls. It also happened when 1NZ got pushed onto the grass then seen vickery coming who was lead car at time and drove straight off middle of turn and had a go at him in mid turn 1 and 2. I have also seen 591 with a go pro in for teams weekend. I bet you my life that footage would of vanished into thin air. [/quote] Wayne Hemi won this years Manawatu Superstock Champs and came 3rd at the World 240's this year. His car has been fast and reliable. Who would you have selected in his place? bearing in mind that Chev and Gavin may have wanted to race together. [/quote][/p]
and prob chev and William didn't wanna race together lol yes wayne has been fast and reliable this year but its just the odd thing at teams that takes the gloss of his gr8 season
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Post by percy on Feb 10, 2018 15:21:50 GMT 12
Those advocating a team disqualification need to think about the wider implication of such a penalty. Teams racing would turn into a mockery. A hit off the grass on lap 2 and the red flag would come out and the race over. Team disqualified!!
Team disqualifications are the ultimate penalty and should only be applied when an illegal act materially affects the outcome of a teams race. A good example would be a hit off the grass on the race leader with two laps to go. In this instance the race, as a contest, was over. The Brits were done and dusted, destined for the consolation play-offs.
Hemi's disciplinary record is totally irrelevant to the penalty applied. All that matters are the facts of the incident. Hemi's disciplinary record is a matter for the team selectors. With Hemi you get an experienced driver who has enjoyed massive success in teams racing. You also get the odd moment of "why did he do that?".
A team disqualification would have been an over-reaction. I believe the officials got this one right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 15:27:04 GMT 12
That selection policy is a joke. Palmy have no balls. If a guy being selected for a rugby team said it’s both of us instead of one I’m sure they’d say sweet see ya later then. The sport will always be full of back scratchers until refs selectors and promoters grow some balls and make some tough calls. It also happened when 1NZ got pushed onto the grass then seen vickery coming who was lead car at time and drove straight off middle of turn and had a go at him in mid turn 1 and 2. I have also seen 591 with a go pro in for teams weekend. I bet you my life that footage would of vanished into thin air. [/quote] Wayne Hemi won this years Manawatu Superstock Champs and came 3rd at the World 240's this year. His car has been fast and reliable. Who would you have selected in his place? bearing in mind that Chev and Gavin may have wanted to race together. [/quote] Scott or Adam Joblin . Both streets ahead of Hemi.. |
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Post by mordecai on Feb 10, 2018 15:27:09 GMT 12
Those advocating a team disqualification need to think about the wider implication of such a penalty. Teams racing would turn into a mockery. A hit off the grass on lap 2 and the red flag would come out and the race over. Team disqualified!! Team disqualifications are the ultimate penalty and should only be applied when an illegal act materially affects the outcome of a teams race. A good example would be a hit off the grass on the race leader with two laps to go. In this instance the race, as a contest, was over. The Brits were done and dusted, destined for the consolation play-offs. Hemi's disciplinary record is totally irrelevant to the penalty applied. All that matters are the facts of the incident. Hemi's disciplinary record is a matter for the team selectors. With Hemi you get an experienced driver who has enjoyed massive success in teams racing. You also get the odd moment of "why did he do that?". A team disqualification would have been an over-reaction. I believe the officials got this one right. so taking out a pom car not in the running you think is ok I disagree that car never moved again denying him of any chance og getting a few points that could have got the poms in the 3rd 4th place race also denied him anychance of taking out the lead car of the panthers so to me that had a huge impact on the race result and in my own opinion I felt this was worse than last year
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Post by Admin on Feb 10, 2018 15:39:12 GMT 12
That selection policy is a joke. Palmy have no balls. If a guy being selected for a rugby team said it’s both of us instead of one I’m sure they’d say sweet see ya later then. The sport will always be full of back scratchers until refs selectors and promoters grow some balls and make some tough calls. It also happened when 1NZ got pushed onto the grass then seen vickery coming who was lead car at time and drove straight off middle of turn and had a go at him in mid turn 1 and 2. I have also seen 591 with a go pro in for teams weekend. I bet you my life that footage would of vanished into thin air. Wayne Hemi won this years Manawatu Superstock Champs and came 3rd at the World 240's this year. His car has been fast and reliable. Who would you have selected in his place? bearing in mind that Chev and Gavin may have wanted to race together. [/quote] Scott or Adam Joblin . Both streets ahead of Hemi..[/quote] The selectors chose what they thought was the best combination and banked the win, well done them. |
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Post by mordecai on Feb 10, 2018 15:55:51 GMT 12
That selection policy is a joke. Palmy have no balls. If a guy being selected for a rugby team said it’s both of us instead of one I’m sure they’d say sweet see ya later then. The sport will always be full of back scratchers until refs selectors and promoters grow some balls and make some tough calls. It also happened when 1NZ got pushed onto the grass then seen vickery coming who was lead car at time and drove straight off middle of turn and had a go at him in mid turn 1 and 2. I have also seen 591 with a go pro in for teams weekend. I bet you my life that footage would of vanished into thin air. Wayne Hemi won this years Manawatu Superstock Champs and came 3rd at the World 240's this year. His car has been fast and reliable. Who would you have selected in his place? bearing in mind that Chev and Gavin may have wanted to race together.
Scott or Adam Joblin .
Both streets ahead of Hemi..
[/quote] The selectors chose what they thought was the best combination and banked the win, well done them. [/quote][/p]
yes when I seen the panthers team named I sai they would be hard to beat and would prob be fav I did invest 50 bucks on them and got the win but I was worried after what hemi did I 4rt oh no 2yrs in a row disqualified but luckily all was let go
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