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Post by Rota on Mar 30, 2018 17:59:32 GMT 12
What happens while the redevelopment gets done? It ain’t going to happen within 1 speedway season? So will Baypark have to open their classes to include midgets etc? It’s really the closest track to WS that operates open wheel (Sprintcars) regularly. Will Baypark have to do more to accomodate a extra class or 2? Can any other track be able to host Sprintcars & Midgets etc that doesn’t revolve travelling heaps of km’s weekly?
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Post by brettgrace on Mar 30, 2018 19:20:55 GMT 12
theycallmewade Haven't seen anything on paper, just kept the ears open when it pops up in convo. As far as I know preliminary drawings have already been sent in for the new complex and they include the use of the sports grounds as pit space / car parking (again going off of what I've heard) but as yet haven't laid eyes on anything concrete.
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Post by brettgrace on Mar 30, 2018 19:23:52 GMT 12
If a new proposal really is going to incorpoarate the whole of Waikaraka Park, and all classes end up using the same facility, that facility should include workshop spaces for lease so that Speedway fabricators and the like could base themselves at the track, if they choose to. I can see a lot of upside to that, and very little negative. Barry B With a $26M bill (anecdotally) for the relocation and redevelopment what will the rents / prices for these be like? |
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Post by jimmyj on Mar 30, 2018 19:26:24 GMT 12
Watch this space ,.Will be really interesting to follow these developments through and see what happens ,.
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Post by BarryB on Mar 30, 2018 19:47:15 GMT 12
If a new proposal really is going to incorpoarate the whole of Waikaraka Park, and all classes end up using the same facility, that facility should include workshop spaces for lease so that Speedway fabricators and the like could base themselves at the track, if they choose to. I can see a lot of upside to that, and very little negative. Barry B With a $26M bill (anecdotally) for the relocation and redevelopment what will the rents / prices for these be like? I have no idea Brett, but with public viewing always being better elevated I was just thinking it could be a good and cheap way of elevating the seating whilst getting a return on the cavernous space underneath. Could be handy for the likes of the BSL teams to have a spare-anything on-tap during the course of a night's racing with the shop 25 metres away from the pits. Not saying it'd work for everybody, but some teams might also like the idea of keeping the car, and working on it, at the track during the week too. Hadn't thought it right through down to relative budgets, but after Wade's post, I thought if we're starting from scratch..... Barry B |
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Post by magilla on Mar 30, 2018 20:46:10 GMT 12
Huntly is a LOT closer than Baypark and already has midgets as a contracted class.
Back in the 70s/80s midget drivers used to race Western Springs Sat night then Kihikihi Sunday afternoon and (the old) Baypark Sunday night.
There are also Sprintcars and midgets contracted to both Huntly and Kihikihi, both closer to Auckland than Tauranga
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Post by midway on Mar 30, 2018 21:50:36 GMT 12
Very interesting reading i must say  So if this latest proposal gets the green light who out of the both clubs are going to relinquish there rights to adopt a new management scheme for the sport to grow into the future at this venue .. One clubs financial balance sheet would send shivers down your spine if it became a joint venture and the profits divided equally.. Willy Kay paid the council a promoters fee of a substantial sum of money ,the council in return kept the Springs venue maintained ,Waikaraka Park,paid $10,000 annually and had to provide a track license Snz ,maintain it themselves .. Reading the annual balance with no tax to pay ,made interesting viewing ,over the years .. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 4:31:36 GMT 12
Why does anything in Jaffa land that is historical get knocked down or relocated ?? Probably because it is not financially sustainable anymore, just like Western Springs isn't either with the way it is currently being managed, sadly. While the old familiar '...we have been here for 90 years, save our heritage...' rhecteric is true, its weak. Dollars rule nowadays not emotion. Five reasons we need to stand up for Western Springs Speedway...rather one sided rant from WS website. Video - brief first 30 year history of WS speedway |
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Post by twincarb on Mar 31, 2018 10:11:55 GMT 12
So if this joint venture happens will a new name be on the cards for the new stadium and will the ban ( on a certain person) still be in place ??
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Post by jimmyj on Mar 31, 2018 10:25:36 GMT 12
Thanks jimmyj, it is an extremely interesting time and years of speculation seem to be coming to a head. I just hope whatever the political environment and public sentiment, we end up working for a better future for speedway in Auckland - Drivers / team owners / corporate sponsors and most importantly the generations of educated fans, deserve a place where the sport can be celebrated and it can grow. Brettgrace's comments about cost and who pays for what are valid and I don't have any insight into that. One important thing to also consider in all of this, is that the WP people are effectively being asked to give up 'their place' after 50 years as well - it may not be very pretty, but it is theirs and they have 100% control right now - it is actually a very 'big ask' for them to consider. Are you involved with the project in any way Wade ? Who is banned ? |
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Post by tonyr on Mar 31, 2018 11:09:09 GMT 12
Dreaver??
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Post by jimmyj on Mar 31, 2018 11:22:07 GMT 12
Ohh well there ya go ,Heard he was in a spot of bother over there  Seems he is in trouble where ever he goes that boy |
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Post by hmac on Mar 31, 2018 15:57:22 GMT 12
Does the art gallery return a profit for the council? Nup.....better close it down as well. How about the Museum, nup let that go as well then, how about all the suburban parks etc around the place that are council run and maintained.....close em down. Hell what about the coucil itself, it haemorrages ratepayer money all day everyday on the most stupid, but pc, stuff.
I forget the actual percentage of eligible voters who partake in local body politics, but it's very, very low apparently, so i'd think a concerted effort of "drop this nonsense or we'll vote you out" approach, might not be too silly of an idea.
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Post by jimmyj on Mar 31, 2018 18:10:02 GMT 12
Maybe John Webster is sitting around laughing right now thinking maybe just maybe his wish might come true both speedways joining together and supporting speedway at WEBSTER memorial park raceway .
How cool would that be .
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Post by bikeboy on Mar 31, 2018 19:44:35 GMT 12
Does the art gallery return a profit for the council? Nup.....better close it down as well. How about the Museum, nup let that go as well then, how about all the suburban parks etc around the place that are council run and maintained.....close em down. Hell what about the coucil itself, it haemorrages ratepayer money all day everyday on the most stupid, but pc, stuff. I forget the actual percentage of eligible voters who partake in local body politics, but it's very, very low apparently, so i'd think a concerted effort of "drop this nonsense or we'll vote you out" approach, might not be too silly of an idea. it was said a few years ago that western springs was the only sports stadium owned by the auckland council that actually turned a profit, |
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Post by midway on Mar 31, 2018 20:00:45 GMT 12
Not a fan of leaving the springs(cricket will give the local whingers plenty to complain about) Not a fan of wacky park... But as a speedway fan AT LEAST the open wheel class will have somewhere in Auckland to Race. Why does anything in Jaffa land that is historical get knocked down or relocated ?? I'm sure if the race card(IWI) was used it will have cultural significance and a truck load of money thrown into saving and rebuilding it !! The historic walls around wacky park are and have been rebuilt to modern day standards ,Scottish stone walls rebuilt the one behind the new soccer club off Captain springs road ,and will continue rebuilding the walls once demolition of the existing old grandstand is completed . The gate house is to be rebuilt Council have already discussed the matter with the stone masons for the green light to proceed ... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 20:33:58 GMT 12
Basically this all comes down NZ should not have hosted Rugby world cup- with projected loss over $40million rest of the country, it's other sports having try recoup loss by moving there events pay off what Eden park significantly looses. so speedway at the springs, has been made scapegoat because of it? tried it with warriors moving them Eden park, no avail. who they have left good old western springs speedway.. They are saying speedway disrupts there plans hosting more concerts at the venue- move them out, they can get use ofd the stadium for more concerts. clear writing on the wall what RFA plans have always been.
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Post by hmac on Mar 31, 2018 22:47:02 GMT 12
Think there is a lot of misconception about Eden Park and it's viability. Last article I read stated quite clearly ,that it doesn't lose money, and in fact has never once defaulted or been late on any repayments re world cup loans or however it works. I think it's a deliberately "pushed" misconception, through many media outlets. Btw, the Warriors moving to Eden Park is not a complete dead duck yet, i mean these "promise the earth, take it to the next level, money is no object", fly by nighters...oops i mean prospective new Warriors owners, have already held talks with Eden Park, according to there own press BS. It's pretty clear that the RFA wants to lose a stadium or 2 at least,....in fact putting on my most cynical hat, it wouldn't surprise if ultimately thay want Eden Park gone as well. Why? Think waterfront stadium and i'll leave it at that.
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Post by magilla on Apr 1, 2018 11:01:06 GMT 12
Eden Park making a profit or a loss has nothing to do with the Auckland City Council since it does not own Eden Park.
Eden Park Trust Board has a loan from ACC but it is their problem how to pay it, it is not up to the ACC to help them pay it.
I have never understood why the idiots at the RFA keep trying to move the Warriors from a ground the ACC owns and is paid a lease for to a ground that they do not own and receive no income from.
It makes no sense what so ever.
In fact I fail to understand why Eden Park even comes under the RFA at all, it should have nothing to do with them.
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Post by midway on Apr 1, 2018 15:41:04 GMT 12
The Stroke of a pen will determine the outlook and future of our speedway sport where ever it ends up ..
Who ever decides this no doubt certainly wont be in favour with every ones ideas ,but thats the general out come these days ..
Combining the two clubs together is justified as long as there is one administration and not an out side promoter or his assistant that has interests in other venues ..
The hill billy days are over so some classes would have to be fazed out to keep the much needed paying public through the gates .
Interesting 102,000 people through the gates ,in twelve meetings ,there is one thing that sparks interest ,the thirst for this type of sport ,but more meetings takes that thirst away and the diehards will enjoy more meetings with less revenue ,the attraction becomes a bore ,the sport doesnt need this as the public move else square ,a few more meetings yes ,but not like Baypark with its empty spaces and a group of administrators using ratepayers money like waste paper at the local tip ..
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