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Post by magilla on Apr 1, 2018 16:44:18 GMT 12
well surely it will be two seperate promotions running alternate weekends or some such deal.
Certainly trying to combine the two would be a failure.
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Post by orapiuwharf on Apr 1, 2018 18:22:41 GMT 12
My understanding is the reconstruction of Waikaraka Park has nothing to do with the Western Springs classes or its promoter. It is all to do with Auckland stock and saloon club. Am I wrong? If so where did you get this information from?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 20:02:49 GMT 12
My understanding is the reconstruction of Waikaraka Park has nothing to do with the Western Springs classes or its promoter. It is all to do with Auckland stock and saloon club. Am I wrong? If so where did you get this information from? Hi orapiwharf, I have no first hand knowledge of what the latest is with WP. In fact I've have never been there LOL! But for what its worth I dredged up some information, although its a bit dated being 5 months old, and does not provide any information about proposed reconstruction plans nor WS involvement. As theycallmewade mentioned "nobody has seen the proposal for Waikaraka Park yet", but I guess you could perhaps follow Harrisions strategy below by contacting Auckland Council yourself to see what the lasted news is. On 18 October 2017, Harrison made an Official Information request to Auckland Council, asking... Could I please request:
-all information on the future of Waikaraka Park/Speedway
-plans for development of the park/speedway/surrounding area
-a copy of the Waikaraka Park lease agreement/contract for speedwayPart of the Councils reply on 16 November 2017 is below. Their full reply is HERE. I refer to your email, which we received on 18 October 2017, requesting information about the future of Waikaraka Park including the Speedway.
Waikaraka Park and cemetery is a 30 hectare, unclassified recreation reserve situated in Onehunga. The site consists of four main areas, speedway, sports fields, cemetery and thepark extension on Captain Springs Road. There are multiple community leases in place for facilities in the Park. In August 2016, a Concept Plan for the sports field site was presented to the Maungakiekie-Tamaki Local Board following a consultation process. The board instead requested officers to look at a wider plan for the park which would include the speedway site.
At their meeting of 26 September 2017, the board considered that the need for a wider area plan is no longer required. They chose to adopt the Waikaraka Park Concept Plan previously developed, and requested officers to proceed with its implementation alongside the continued presence of speedway at Waikaraka Park. The concept plan is available online at the following link:...
The Local Board made this decision in anticipation of receiving a concept plan for speedway activity through a process led by speedway stakeholders and facilitated by Regional Facilities Auckland. This process is yet to be completed.
I have not read this information too closely but as best I can tell the WP LEASE is between AUCKLAND CITY COUNCIL and AUCKLAND STOCK AND SALOON CAR CLUB INCORPORATED for $24,400pa + GST, expires next year on 23 Sept 2019. |
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Post by orapiuwharf on Apr 1, 2018 20:14:57 GMT 12
Thanks PhilB.
Great information.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 15:04:19 GMT 12
Think there is a lot of misconception about Eden Park and it's viability. Last article I read stated quite clearly ,that it doesn't lose money, and in fact has never once defaulted or been late on any repayments re world cup loans or however it works. I think it's a deliberately "pushed" misconception, through many media outlets. Btw, the Warriors moving to Eden Park is not a complete dead duck yet, i mean these "promise the earth, take it to the next level, money is no object", fly by nighters...oops i mean prospective new Warriors owners, have already held talks with Eden Park, according to there own press BS. It's pretty clear that the RFA wants to lose a stadium or 2 at least,....in fact putting on my most cynical hat, it wouldn't surprise if ultimately thay want Eden Park gone as well. Why? Think waterfront stadium and i'll leave it at that. Depending which article your reading.. how much did hosting 2011 Rugby world cup set back ratepayers of Auckland? significant amount they will not likely get back. even before that particular tournament kicked off it was at huge loss, well over $30million dollar mark... Eden park and it's operations has to come at loss, barely used apart from All Black games, pretty much empty "white Elephant" should not ever got the right host it Auckland cant afford it, with small population basis being on the other side the world. was it ever going make any money i pretty much doubt that.. Warriors who didnt wanna move from there homebase Mt smart they were at loss also. break even crowd numbers be at least 17,000 fans per game nowhere near what they are getting now.. that was plan help eden park out financially moving likes warriors there, speedway into Mt smart initally. Then again those talks failed so warriors got lifeline got stay there.. next move was give speedway @western springs the boot make way for odd test match, maybe Afl.. concerts supposedly western springs speedway comes at loss nearly $400,000 yet few years back we was told speedway only event makes ACC any money back.. kinda who you more likely to believe. |
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Post by BarryB on Apr 2, 2018 19:20:20 GMT 12
A winning culture can turn around fan numbers very quickly. This season will see Eden Park become an even bigger Blues Elephant while Mount Smart will get a full house this Saturday night, and possibly for the next three weekends in a row (at least).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 19:22:07 GMT 12
See if it can be strung out till after the next local body elections when you will have a decent mayor up there. One who has some sympathy for speedway. In hindsight it's a great pity she didn't stand last time.
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Post by magilla on Apr 2, 2018 20:18:19 GMT 12
Think there is a lot of misconception about Eden Park and it's viability. Last article I read stated quite clearly ,that it doesn't lose money, and in fact has never once defaulted or been late on any repayments re world cup loans or however it works. I think it's a deliberately "pushed" misconception, through many media outlets. Btw, the Warriors moving to Eden Park is not a complete dead duck yet, i mean these "promise the earth, take it to the next level, money is no object", fly by nighters...oops i mean prospective new Warriors owners, have already held talks with Eden Park, according to there own press BS. It's pretty clear that the RFA wants to lose a stadium or 2 at least,....in fact putting on my most cynical hat, it wouldn't surprise if ultimately thay want Eden Park gone as well. Why? Think waterfront stadium and i'll leave it at that. Depending which article your reading.. how much did hosting 2011 Rugby world cup set back ratepayers of Auckland? significant amount they will not likely get back. even before that particular tournament kicked off it was at huge loss, well over $30million dollar mark... Eden park and it's operations has to come at loss, barely used apart from All Black games, pretty much empty "white Elephant" should not ever got the right host it Auckland cant afford it, with small population basis being on the other side the world. was it ever going make any money i pretty much doubt that.. It should not matter to the Auckland City Council how much money Eden Park makes or loses as it does not own Eden Park. I could never see how moving the Warriors from Mt Smart that ACC owns and receives rent for from the Warriors to Eden Park that ACC does not own and would receive nothing for was a benefit to the ACC. Eden Park could be losing a million dollars a week, not ACC's problem, until the Eden Park Trust Board can no longer service their loans and have to sell the place, then it is of benefit to ACC as they get their loans repaid. |
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Apr 2, 2018 21:13:58 GMT 12
Will have to spend a heck of a lot on the Wacky Park dump, as it is now it would be an embarrassment to bring international drivers to it. Also those who think the Springs pits are too small, Wacky Park is half that. Pits/carpark can go under track |
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Apr 2, 2018 21:23:11 GMT 12
Bring back the Meremere Super bowl
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Post by bikeboy on Apr 2, 2018 21:34:48 GMT 12
Bring back the Meremere Super bowl do you remember why it failed last time? as cool as it was, it did not draw big enough crowds to keep going, i dont think any track that far south of auckland will pull regular crowds like Western Springs, or a well run and promoted waikaraka park will, |
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Post by hmac on Apr 2, 2018 21:49:28 GMT 12
When I saw the original header for this thread, I thought ahh there's gonna be another march, ala the "save our speedway" march of a few years back. WOndering whether another one could be organised.
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Post by axl1 on Apr 3, 2018 10:19:34 GMT 12
It's clear there is an agenda of some kind the RFA are following. Given the fact they don’t know what the planned use and future of Western Springs would be.
The infrastructure already in place can only see Western Springs used as a stadium venue.
The issue is, if they plan on using it as a combined cricket and concert venue, both will clash big time as our cricket season runs during a period that is the preferred summer period for concert promoters to operate tours throughout Australia, New Zealand and Japan.
These tend to be artists and bands doing outdoor stadium tours around the world.
The other issue is ground conditions. A Cricket field is going to be impacted heavily by staging, lighting and PA towers not to mention foot traffic. Yes, they can cover the pitch, but the outside field will need time to recover more so as there would only be a day or two between a cricket match and concert production.
I see this all as smoke and mirrors with concerts being pushed to Eden Park and Western Springs a purpose cricket venue.
Eden Park will be freed up for the summer period and scheduling of concert events can fit in around the blues, all black matches and general rugby season.
Unfortunately, speedway misses out as they will move the deck chairs around to suit the needs of others, not speedway.
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Post by jimmyj on Apr 3, 2018 19:15:48 GMT 12
well surely it will be two seperate promotions running alternate weekends or some such deal. Certainly trying to combine the two would be a failure. Well Magilla I normally read your posts and more often than not agree but this time i have to disagree with you mainly because unless the 2 tracks unite I think you just might be saying goodbye to speedway at the springs because of all this political bul-sh-t. I sometime wonder how these idiots we call a council think but maybe they don't , Not to sure about our lady leader is going to do to much with the money they are going to be coughing up for the dinghy racing either |
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Post by magilla on Apr 4, 2018 16:27:54 GMT 12
well they having trouble fitting the classes they have into one meeting as it is at speedway and the stockcars don't run all their classes every meeting as have too many so I can not see how you can combine them.
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Post by magilla on Apr 4, 2018 16:29:51 GMT 12
It's clear there is an agenda of some kind the RFA are following. Given the fact they don’t know what the planned use and future of Western Springs would be. I see this all as smoke and mirrors with concerts being pushed to Eden Park and Western Springs a purpose cricket venue. Eden Park will be freed up for the summer period and scheduling of concert events can fit in around the blues, all black matches and general rugby season. Unfortunately, speedway misses out as they will move the deck chairs around to suit the needs of others, not speedway. still makes no sense why RFA and ACC would want to move anything that would generate an income from an ACC owned venue to Eden Park |
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Post by jimmyj on Apr 4, 2018 19:04:33 GMT 12
well they having trouble fitting the classes they have into one meeting as it is at speedway and the stockcars don't run all their classes every meeting as have too many so I can not see how you can combine them. Maybe alternate weekends .Don't know myself Magilla. |
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Post by magilla on Apr 4, 2018 22:43:52 GMT 12
I just don't want to turn up to watch sprintcars and midgets and have to sit through kiddie stocks and stockcars etc as well.
Bad enough when get them at Huntly
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Post by BarryB on Apr 5, 2018 5:34:14 GMT 12
I just don't want to turn up to watch sprintcars and midgets and have to sit through kiddie stocks and stockcars etc as well. Bad enough when get them at Huntly Best you get along to the Council quick smart then magilla, and tell them that their plans are totally unacceptable and explain your fear of these other classes. Barry B |
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Post by Parrot on Apr 5, 2018 10:31:14 GMT 12
Interesting that you dont like watching ministocks when its the future of the classes you claim to watch such as Daniel Thomas,Jamie Larson,Jarvis Tidd,Daniel Rogers just in the sprintcars registered to Auckland. If you dont like watching them when they race ministocks why do you suddenly like watching them now? That makes no sense
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