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Post by magilla on Feb 11, 2023 14:46:36 GMT 12
Think Springs and Waikaraka work in harmony and not raise ripples which the cash strapped council will get out the pruning shears and bye bye just like Pukekohe while I agree with what you are saying, Pukekohe is a poor example as the Auckland Council had nothing to do with Pukekohe (apart from as a sponsor via their events arm). |
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Post by midway on Feb 11, 2023 15:50:10 GMT 12
The promotion would normally get over $3,000 from us in a season - this year they will be lucky if they got $200. Even if they had got the full season in they would have only for $1,000. A business model driving people away was already not sustainable - now top it off with flooding and no racing. Wonder what sponsors are going to ask back and what impact this wil also have on current promotion? Tough economic and business times I think you would have to pretty gullible to ask for a refund ,given the nature of events that has unfortunately happened beyond expectation . Before you enter any kind of sponsorship the weighing up of the pro,s and con,s is important from a business point of view ,but the costs could be the loose change left after making a profit ,given to your favourite sport or activity ,a tax deduction maybe the case ..  |
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Post by midway on Feb 11, 2023 16:00:38 GMT 12
Think Springs and Waikaraka work in harmony and not raise ripples which the cash strapped council will get out the pruning shears and bye bye just like Pukekohe while I agree with what you are saying, Pukekohe is a poor example as the Auckland Council had nothing to do with Pukekohe (apart from as a sponsor via their events arm). Doesnt the franklin racing club own the property where the car track is as well as horse one and surrounding buildings ..i was under the belief that it became a non viable venture no more to the cash strapped club with rising debt ... |
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Post by nakifans on Feb 11, 2023 16:28:08 GMT 12
I may be totally incorrect but didn't council pour a large sum of money into the Pukekohe circuit when it was already ear marked as a dead duck to stop the dollars going to a track south of the city. The training tracks at Takanini had already closed and shifted to Pukekohe when the investment occurred.
Council have shown no support or loyalty to either council owned speedway tracks when a few years ago they dealt the future of stadium use of Western Springs and other sports stadiums as though they were shuffling a deck of playing cards.
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Post by standman on Feb 11, 2023 17:05:33 GMT 12
Full Facebook post as follows NORTH ISLAND MIDGET CHAMPS & NZ TQ GRAND PRIX FEBRUARY 18TH After a frantic day of organising yesterday we can now confirm that these two events will take place at Waikaraka Park on Saturday February 18. This would not have been possible without the cooperation of SNZ and of course the Waikaraka club. We owe the committee at Waikaraka a huge thank you for moving so quickly on this, you have been awesome. Further details of the night will be released as they are confirmed, but on top of around 25 Midgets entrants and the same in TQ’s we are working on some other pieces that should make this a great night of Speedway entertainment. While there has been much chatter around running future events at Waikaraka or other tracks under a range of weird and wonderful concepts, sometimes theory and reality are poles apart. Firstly Waikaraka already have a full race calendar and an obligation to their own members, as they rightly should have. Secondly we do not want to compound what is already a tough situation brought about by the substantial loses of property and revenue at Western Springs due to the flooding, by putting on financially unsustainable events just for the sake of going racing. If you want future racing in Auckland this season forget the hundreds of conspiracy theories and fanciful ideas, deal with the immediate problem by simply by getting in behind the February 18 event. Showing your support by turning up on February 18 at Waikaraka Park to enjoy a great night of racing will help set the tone for more meetings in the future. Thanks, John Nope These two SNZ sanctioned events should be handed back to SNZ so a more suitable venue can be found |
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Post by salooncar on Feb 11, 2023 17:25:28 GMT 12
Nope These two SNZ sanctioned events should be handed back to SNZ so a more suitable venue can be found Why's that? Waikaraka is arguably a better, more-consistent, midget track than Western Springs. |
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Post by sonic33 on Feb 11, 2023 18:11:37 GMT 12
Nope These two SNZ sanctioned events should be handed back to SNZ so a more suitable venue can be found Why's that? Waikaraka is arguably a better, more-consistent, midget track than Western Springs. Would possibly think it was more that fact it wasn't a title WP was allocated, and not the track surface. I am happy the meetings will get run, but was also questioning why WP. Obviously the same promoter so that helps. Was BP/KK considered by SNZ for midgets as they run the class? Also other tracks that regularly run the tq's? I am thinking this is an easy fix for all and not sure it fits with criteria to run SNZ titles. It doesn't have to be run next week, there is more time to sort this within SNZ criteria. Perhaps they do meet the criteria but I thought you had to have certain amount of registered drivers. Just because they have an A on the tail tank doesn't make them WP registered. |
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Post by azzurro on Feb 11, 2023 18:40:46 GMT 12
Why's that? Waikaraka is arguably a better, more-consistent, midget track than Western Springs. Would possibly think it was more that fact it wasn't a title WP was allocated, and not the track surface. I am happy the meetings will get run, but was also questioning why WP. Obviously the same promoter so that helps. Was BP/KK considered by SNZ for midgets as they run the class? Also other tracks that regularly run the tq's? I am thinking this is an easy fix for all and not sure it fits with criteria to run SNZ titles. It doesn't have to be run next week, there is more time to sort this within SNZ criteria. Perhaps they do meet the criteria but I thought you had to have certain amount of registered drivers. Just because they have an A on the tail tank doesn't make them WP registered. I applaud SNZ making a decision - but once again it goes against their own rules. As mentioned previously we might as well throw away the rule book when it comes to eligibility and criteria for titles as they do what they want. I trust the likes of CRC, Andrew Simms etc have got value out of their sponsorship and the promoters are looking after them for future events/seasons |
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Post by graemeh on Feb 11, 2023 19:40:34 GMT 12
Full Facebook post as follows NORTH ISLAND MIDGET CHAMPS & NZ TQ GRAND PRIX FEBRUARY 18TH After a frantic day of organising yesterday we can now confirm that these two events will take place at Waikaraka Park on Saturday February 18. This would not have been possible without the cooperation of SNZ and of course the Waikaraka club. We owe the committee at Waikaraka a huge thank you for moving so quickly on this, you have been awesome. Further details of the night will be released as they are confirmed, but on top of around 25 Midgets entrants and the same in TQ’s we are working on some other pieces that should make this a great night of Speedway entertainment. While there has been much chatter around running future events at Waikaraka or other tracks under a range of weird and wonderful concepts, sometimes theory and reality are poles apart. Firstly Waikaraka already have a full race calendar and an obligation to their own members, as they rightly should have. Secondly we do not want to compound what is already a tough situation brought about by the substantial loses of property and revenue at Western Springs due to the flooding, by putting on financially unsustainable events just for the sake of going racing. If you want future racing in Auckland this season forget the hundreds of conspiracy theories and fanciful ideas, deal with the immediate problem by simply by getting in behind the February 18 event. Showing your support by turning up on February 18 at Waikaraka Park to enjoy a great night of racing will help set the tone for more meetings in the future. Thanks, John Nope These two SNZ sanctioned events should be handed back to SNZ so a more suitable venue can be found I would have thought two of the factors when allocating Championships are spectators and competitors being given an opportunity to see these events, so where better than the same city. The statement from John doesn't elaborate on the discussions, perhaps they were handed back and the right decision for the competitors and spectators was made. |
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Post by sonic33 on Feb 11, 2023 19:51:08 GMT 12
Nope These two SNZ sanctioned events should be handed back to SNZ so a more suitable venue can be found I would have thought two of the factors when allocating Championships are spectators and competitors being given an opportunity to see these events, so where better than the same city. The statement from John doesn't elaborate on the discussions, perhaps they were handed back and the right decision for the competitors and spectators was made. You would be more in the know than me. Unfortunately spectators are never included in the SNZ decision of where titles are held, and rightfully so. Even competitors are not so. Events are given out due to SNZ criteria/rotation and competitors need to travel as per allocated titles. |
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Post by midway on Feb 11, 2023 20:45:41 GMT 12
You would have to be quiet absurd to think other wise in not allowing ,after discussions and dates set for these championships to commence at Waikaraka Park ..
We must thank those involved regardless for bringing the two classes together for this meeting in such short time span ..
Lets hope the W.S Crash crew were also part of the discussions ...
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Post by salooncar on Feb 11, 2023 20:51:40 GMT 12
As I understand it the WS crew will be there - one of the scrutineers told me this afternoon that's where he will be next weekend.
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Post by woodart on Feb 11, 2023 21:39:29 GMT 12
seems like a good practical decision. unfortunatley there is always some who will whinge and moan, no matter what decisions are made. having the same promoter for both tracks helps hugely.
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Post by brettgrace on Feb 11, 2023 21:45:36 GMT 12
Why's that? Waikaraka is arguably a better, more-consistent, midget track than Western Springs. With respect, I would be curious to know how you arrived at this conclusion. |
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Post by nakifans on Feb 12, 2023 4:29:12 GMT 12
Why's that? Waikaraka is arguably a better, more-consistent, midget track than Western Springs. With respect, I would be curious to know how you arrived at this conclusion. When WS cars come over to WP do they go home destroyed by poor track conditions or do they get to put on an excellent display on a consistent surface. Think that answers your question Why do WS supporters bag WP so consistently. When a class from WP invited to attend a WS meeting they do so with open arms and no negative vibes but visa versa different kettle of fish. As mentioned earlier on this thread, WP have the personal who know how to work in with council and the local community board hence the 30 yr lease agreement. What did WS management and supporters achieve with council, offer of Colin Dale track and financial support withdrawn . Perhaps this latest flooding episode should be the wake up call that WS the more vulnerable future wise of the two tracks. |
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Post by azzurro on Feb 12, 2023 6:49:00 GMT 12
With respect, I would be curious to know how you arrived at this conclusion. When WS cars come over to WP do they go home destroyed by poor track conditions or do they get to put on an excellent display on a consistent surface. Think that answers your question Why do WS supporters bag WP so consistently. When a class from WP invited to attend a WS meeting they do so with open arms and no negative vibes but visa versa different kettle of fish. As mentioned earlier on this thread, WP have the personal who know how to work in with council and the local community board hence the 30 yr lease agreement. What did WS management and supporters achieve with council, offer of Colin Dale track and financial support withdrawn . Perhaps this latest flooding episode should be the wake up call that WS the more vulnerable future wise of the two tracks. The divide I believe has been increased by the current person managing Western Springs and not Bruce who is the promoter and fully accountable. With limited shows at Western springs and having relatively proven formats for running meetings the current “manager” has opted for change which I believe the majority of people don’t agree with and ultimately poor business decisions for Bruce costing him money. Classes should be able to go between tracks, shouldn’t be given “crap” online and put on a show for everyone attending. There are so many classes (over 17) and competitors in Auckland that one venue simply will never work. Anyone who who puts down another class, gives them crap etc really shouldn’t be in speedway |
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Post by salooncar on Feb 12, 2023 7:24:08 GMT 12
Why's that? Waikaraka is arguably a better, more-consistent, midget track than Western Springs. With respect, I would be curious to know how you arrived at this conclusion. The surface tends to hold up well, the feedback from drivers I know is positive, and there seem to be fewer accidents than at WS. |
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Post by magilla on Feb 12, 2023 8:45:29 GMT 12
the track surface itself at WP is usually very good, consistently better than at WS.
As for the rest of the place ...
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Post by hienekenno1 on Feb 12, 2023 9:11:55 GMT 12
the track surface itself at WP is usually very good, consistently better than at WS. As for the rest of the place ... Waikaraka has a big new screen sitting on containers ready for replays, starting to look very professional 😁 but seriously I don't know why it is there, not needed at all, well done 144g Tim Ross winning the Ollie Brown title last night and the 3rd heat of the North Island Streetstock championship was real good, anyway Waikaraka has to survive the next few days as well as do we all,stay safe everyone 🙂 |
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Post by graemeh on Feb 12, 2023 9:15:47 GMT 12
the track surface itself at WP is usually very good, consistently better than at WS. As for the rest of the place ... How about being more specific. What are you looking for at a race track that Waikaraka Park doesn't provide? It may not be a Palmy or Bay Park standard aesthetically, but has all the basic requirements. I have been to a number of tracks this year and struggle to understand what peoples problem with it is both from a competitors point of view and a spectators. Genuinely interested in your opinion but dont make some vague sweeping statement that doesn't mean anything specific. |
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