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Post by accobra on Jun 16, 2023 7:35:09 GMT 12
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Post by midway on Jun 16, 2023 13:07:51 GMT 12
The positives out wiegh the negatives long term ,so it is a matter of wait and see .
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Post by accobra on Jun 16, 2023 14:42:10 GMT 12
The positives out wiegh the negatives long term ,so it is a matter of wait and see . I hope your right Midway. I just know how long building consents and work takes. Might just be a late start to the season there maybe. Plenty of other tracks to get our fix. 🍻 |
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Post by epmurc on Jun 16, 2023 15:08:28 GMT 12
You could accuse me of being a pessimist, but I'd like to think I'm more of a realist.
That article just brushes over some of the problems and doesn't even mention others, such as the 5 metre deep sink hole under the pits. The pit buildings were waste deep in sewerage contaminated flood waters so are now basically unusable.
The electrical system is archaic and can't be fixed, requires full replacement. That repair bill isn't millions, it's tens of millions.
As much as I hope I'm wrong, I wouldn't go holding my breath for any racing this season (and possibly longer knowing the speed the council works).
Which begs the question. We all basically acknowledge that even though we don't know actually how long it'll be, the sun is setting on racing at the Springs. Given that, will the council spend any money replacing the specific facilities for something that will be getting the chop in the relatively near future?
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Post by midway on Jun 16, 2023 16:30:44 GMT 12
You could accuse me of being a pessimist, but I'd like to think I'm more of a realist. That article just brushes over some of the problems and doesn't even mention others, such as the 5 metre deep sink hole under the pits. The pit buildings were waste deep in sewerage contaminated flood waters so are now basically unusable. The electrical system is archaic and can't be fixed, requires full replacement. That repair bill isn't millions, it's tens of millions. As much as I hope I'm wrong, I wouldn't go holding my breath for any racing this season (and possibly longer knowing the speed the council works). Which begs the question. We all basically acknowledge that even though we don't know actually how long it'll be, the sun is setting on racing at the Springs. Given that, will the council spend any money replacing the specific facilities for something that will be getting the chop in the relatively near future? You are not a consultant on the expenditure committee of the council ,have airport shares ,flick e mails to the objectors around council run meetings by chance ,talk to ELF about Rugby Leaque over morning tea .. The rates rise should rub in a few more dollars for such a icon place .. Could you explain the containers in the pits at your Park is this some low cost venture from China exporters ... |
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Post by epmurc on Jun 16, 2023 18:18:05 GMT 12
Could you explain the containers in the pits at your Park is this some low cost venture from China exporters ... No room on the ships to take the empties, they're stacking them up wherever they can find room |
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Post by artg on Jun 16, 2023 18:30:35 GMT 12
You could accuse me of being a pessimist, but I'd like to think I'm more of a realist. That article just brushes over some of the problems and doesn't even mention others, such as the 5 metre deep sink hole under the pits. The pit buildings were waste deep in sewerage contaminated flood waters so are now basically unusable. The electrical system is archaic and can't be fixed, requires full replacement. That repair bill isn't millions, it's tens of millions. As much as I hope I'm wrong, I wouldn't go holding my breath for any racing this season (and possibly longer knowing the speed the council works). Which begs the question. We all basically acknowledge that even though we don't know actually how long it'll be, the sun is setting on racing at the Springs. Given that, will the council spend any money replacing the specific facilities for something that will be getting the chop in the relatively near future? You talk as if Western Springs is a race track only. All the above you mentioned effects all stake holders from the Rugby Club to tTātaki Auckland Unlimited, to concert and event promotors. All these events require power and onsite facilities, stable and safe land under foot. The rugby club is the greenroom and dressing rooms for bands and artists Western Springs is a year round revenue maker for the council. No other studium in Auckland or New Zealand is used more then western springs during a calendar year. The springs isn't closing up shop and speedway will be in the mix when it's back operational in the future. A smart promotor would be already in the ear of those making decisions to ensue their ideas and needs are listened to and meet as there will be the ability to build these into a rebuild. I know of one concert promotor who has already put forward their thoughts on better gate entry options and a permanent merchandising area to remove the need to use the outer field. |
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Post by gmac on Jun 17, 2023 10:57:16 GMT 12
I totally agree "A smart promotor would be already in the ear of those making decisions...." but I am not sure the current promotion has the foresight and vision needed, regardless of opinion of Mr Buckley I think Western Springs has taken a massive step backwards in terms of their marketing and engagement of the casual punter since his exit.
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Post by twincarb on Jun 17, 2023 11:33:58 GMT 12
Thinking outside the square--what if someone purchased western springs stadium and ran it (lots of people involved in speedway have the money) That way they have control of the future of speedway and can make money by hosting events and leasing to ponsonby rugby ? or do we have a couple of years of taking the show on the road as council decides what to do and where to get the money to fix the place ?
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Post by nakifans on Jun 17, 2023 15:49:58 GMT 12
After Mayor Brown's very public spat over selling airport shares to reduce Council debt, I doubt he would venture into a back lashing to restore WS at huge cost so a hundred or so competitors can have a skid on a summers Sat night.
The best we can hope is that the other venue users bring in enough revenue to warrant the springs resurrection .
The current promotor seems to constantly have the finger pointed at him, but it wasn't under his tenure that the council pulled it's offer to help finance speedway into new complex at Colin Dale Park.
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Post by rayray on Jun 18, 2023 17:53:00 GMT 12
NZ Sprintcar at Waikarkara park
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Post by hienekenno1 on Jun 18, 2023 18:46:29 GMT 12
NZ Sprintcar at Waikarkara park Yep February 17th👍 |
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Post by Hoosier on Jun 18, 2023 22:45:09 GMT 12
NZ Sprintcar at Waikarkara park Yep February 17th👍 How does that happen? I don't see wakky as next on SNZ list should WS decline |
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Post by hienekenno1 on Jun 19, 2023 6:00:11 GMT 12
How does that happen? I don't see wakky as next on SNZ list should WS decline Is on Waikaraka parks Facebook page if the Springs cant race the NZ Sprintcar Championship will be raced at Waikaraka Park.The Boxing night meeting will be at Waikaraka Park as well by the way. |
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Post by azzurro on Jun 19, 2023 8:31:16 GMT 12
How does that happen? I don't see wakky as next on SNZ list should WS decline Is on Waikaraka parks Facebook page if the Springs cant race the NZ Sprintcar Championship will be raced at Waikaraka Park.The Boxing night meeting will be at Waikaraka Park as well by the way. I think we might find it is actually given to the promotion and not the track. Would be interesting to challenge this as the rule book shows a track not a promotion from my understanding. As many drivers found out last year when Western Springs Promotion held a meeting at Waikaraka the drivers had to get a release to race at Kihikihi. Will most likely to be smallest NZ title in many years At least teams can plan accommodation and travel knowing the event will be in Auckland which is a positive |
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Post by 410cowboy on Jun 19, 2023 8:42:25 GMT 12
NZ Sprintcar at Waikarkara park If this was to happen probably be the worst field of sprintcars ever assembled. probably only get 10 or so cars i would imagine most would boycot it due to not a sprintcar track.. |
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Post by 888hsv on Jun 19, 2023 13:49:59 GMT 12
NZ Sprintcar at Waikarkara park If this was to happen probably be the worst field of sprintcars ever assembled. probably only get 10 or so cars i would imagine most would boycot it due to not a sprintcar track.. Sorry for the silly question..... Is it just banking that is missing at WP to make it a sprintcar track? |
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Post by woodart on Jun 19, 2023 17:48:31 GMT 12
NZ Sprintcar at Waikarkara park If this was to happen probably be the worst field of sprintcars ever assembled. probably only get 10 or so cars i would imagine most would boycot it due to not a sprintcar track.. explain not boycotting palmy for nz champs then. waikaraka is more a sprint car track ,than palmy ever will be. |
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Post by midway on Jun 19, 2023 20:23:55 GMT 12
NZ Sprintcar at Waikarkara park That is good news ,it may sort out a few anxious drivers that like wall riding ... |
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Post by The Observer on Jun 19, 2023 21:44:53 GMT 12
NZ Sprintcar at Waikarkara park That is good news ,it may sort out a few anxious drivers that like wall riding ... I wonder if a few Mod drivers might consider a tail tank for the night And also be interesting to see if a heap of South Island cars come up - a real leveller. Rodney Wood always went good at WP |
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