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Post by BarryB on Feb 24, 2024 10:14:04 GMT 12
I've posted my points chart above to assist the analysis as last night was the most unusual grid draw I've seen under the 15 heat format. There are some drivers tonight who are going to have two grids right at the front and likewise some drivers who will have both their grids right at the back. At the extreme end of the scale the grids for Joel Myers Jr and Cole Wood added to 11, whereas James Dahm added to 33. James actually advanced the 3rd most positions but finds himself in 17th= according to posted results. Believe James has grid 1 and 2 tonight so he wont be advancing much further but should find himself with a handy grid for the title race. At the other end of the scale Connor Rangi finds himself in 4th= but has only advanced 1 position. With two back grids tonight he will need to pass a lot of cars to get a decent grid for the title race. Likewise Joel Myers Jr has a bit to do despite being tied for the points lead. Some drivers are going to rocket up the points table tonight like 6m, 22k and 19c. Others such as 21p, 73k, 4usa and 82m are much better positioned than the points table suggests. Have they cocked up the grid draws Percy, or just done it. Totally different way to the norm. It. Looks like some of these guys are basically either front grid or back grid over the 5 hears, with no middle grids? Whereas others must settle in the middle virtually all weekend. |
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Post by midway on Feb 24, 2024 10:14:35 GMT 12
Very interesting and thankyou PERCY ,i can see a lot more aggression by some of those back markers to night ,but on paper Pickens is the man to beat .Good to see those Southerners in the top five ,very cloudy up here and hot with a north west wind blowing off the Tasman sea ..
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Post by percy on Feb 24, 2024 10:50:42 GMT 12
I don't know how the software is engineered but my educated guess is it doesn't care so much for front/middle/back, rather it focusses on the grids adding to a certain number. However, the system will result in drivers having a reasonable distribution of grids through the field. For every driver that has 1 front, 3 middles and 1 rear you need two drivers who have 2 front, 1 middle, 2 rear.
If a driver had 3 middles on night one, I would expect them to have a front and back for night two.
By my math of the 37 drivers entered we should have 25 drivers whose grids add to 33 and 12 drivers whose grids add to 32.
If we take James Dahm for instance his grids through the first 3 heats add to 30. He has grids 1 and 2 tonight to add to 33 so no problem there. At the other end of the scale take say JMJ who had 6, 4 and 1 to add to 11. If he has 10 and 12 tonight he also gets to 33.
So no, there isn't a cock-up it's just how the system works. Points need to be read in context of the grids drivers have had given there was a 19 grid variance between best & worst through 3 heats.
The takeaway is that while 46usa, 1nz and 57n look good on points, they have to pass a lot of cars tonight.
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Post by magilla on Feb 24, 2024 12:18:16 GMT 12
Duff had all back grids so must have a couple of front row starts tonight
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Post by BarryB on Feb 24, 2024 12:52:10 GMT 12
I don't know how the software is engineered but my educated guess is it doesn't care so much for front/middle/back, rather it focusses on the grids adding to a certain number. However, the system will result in drivers having a reasonable distribution of grids through the field. For every driver that has 1 front, 3 middles and 1 rear you need two drivers who have 2 front, 1 middle, 2 rear. If a driver had 3 middles on night one, I would expect them to have a front and back for night two. By my math of the 37 drivers entered we should have 25 drivers whose grids add to 33 and 12 drivers whose grids add to 32. If we take James Dahm for instance his grids through the first 3 heats add to 30. He has grids 1 and 2 tonight to add to 33 so no problem there. At the other end of the scale take say JMJ who had 6, 4 and 1 to add to 11. If he has 10 and 12 tonight he also gets to 33. So no, there isn't a cock-up it's just how the system works. Points need to be read in context of the grids drivers have had given there was a 19 grid variance between best & worst through 3 heats. The takeaway is that while 46usa, 1nz and 57n look good on points, they have to pass a lot of cars tonight. Cheers Percy. Thought I'd ask as you obviously have tonight's grids too. Looking through the passing moves made versus the points scored after 3 hearts looks weird. Barry B |
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Post by magilla on Feb 24, 2024 13:13:49 GMT 12
Hopefully they work the top down lower than last week as it was too high to work. This is my 38th NZ Sprintcar Champs so I will see how it lines up With 37 under your belt already magilla, is there one, or are there any, that really stand out to you as the most memorable? Barry B First one that comes to mind is the year Keith Simpson won and a SNZ official who was either corrupt, incompetent or both took it off him and gave it to Kerry Jones. |
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Post by magilla on Feb 24, 2024 13:36:35 GMT 12
I hope they fix the sound issues.
Couldn't hear a thing said on Standring's microphone last night.
Nothing on FM feed and very quiet on Stadium speakers
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Post by speedwaynut on Feb 24, 2024 13:59:01 GMT 12
"Quiet on the stadium speakers"??
Are you for real? We were being blasted on the terraces before the meeting. Thank goodness they turned the volume down.
At Ruapuna when they held the midget championship,the heat winner pulled onto a designated spot in the infield, was interviewed briefly by the intelligent and lovely young lady interviewer,who was at Western springs last night. Then their crew pushed the car off. All while the cars were heading to the pits and the next race vehicles were coming out.
It was quick, informative and professionally done,with no racing noise in the background. Makes the Springs look very amateur.
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Post by magilla on Feb 24, 2024 15:32:12 GMT 12
I was talking about pit interviews not Alistar or Nik who were loud.
Louise Smith is very good reporter
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Post by magilla on Feb 24, 2024 15:32:41 GMT 12
Well they have put plenty of water on.
Will see what happens
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Post by magilla on Feb 24, 2024 15:35:57 GMT 12
With 37 under your belt already magilla, is there one, or are there any, that really stand out to you as the most memorable? Barry B First one that comes to mind is the year Keith Simpson won and a SNZ official who was either corrupt, incompetent or both took it off him and gave it to Kerry Jones. Then the year Ruapuna stuffed up the 3 heat format grids. Jones had 2 fronts and a middle. McQuarters had 2 rears and a middle. Jason high up in points crashed trying to make up hus disadvantage in final heat. Not saying Jones would not have won if grids were correct, but he did only just win on points. McQuarters was under rated, was poor at Western Springs but very good at other tracks |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 24, 2024 16:00:44 GMT 12
First one that comes to mind is the year Keith Simpson won and a SNZ official who was either corrupt, incompetent or both took it off him and gave it to Kerry Jones. Then the year Ruapuna stuffed up the 3 heat format grids. Jones had 2 fronts and a middle. McQuarters had 2 rears and a middle. Jason high up in points crashed trying to make up hus disadvantage in final heat. Not saying Jones would not have won if grids were correct, but he did only just win on points. McQuarters was under rated, was poor at Western Springs but very good at other tracks Always a shame when the officials are remembered more than the competitors and/or the racing. Barry B |
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Post by nerfbar23 on Feb 24, 2024 18:18:02 GMT 12
Live streaming terrible, Full refunds should apply.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 24, 2024 20:44:15 GMT 12
Hopefully the lack of posting means things are going a lot better at The Springs for night 12. How come I can't find the Live Laps however? The WP meeting no problem, but WS I can only find the Night 1 info. I must be getting old  Barry B |
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Post by spuddy on Feb 24, 2024 20:56:31 GMT 12
Massive crash lap 1, Duff and MacDonald, MacDonald hit post and brought the netting down
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Post by Macgor on Feb 24, 2024 20:57:02 GMT 12
Hopefully the lack of posting means things are going a lot better at The Springs for night 12. Barry B They had just got the big race underway , massive pile up, 3 cars rolled, fence damaged and undergoing repairs. 5 cars out plus Allard never got to start because of mechanical failure. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 24, 2024 20:58:28 GMT 12
Massive crash lap 1, Duff and MacDonald, MacDonald hit post and brought the netting down Was to be expected at some stage I guess. Hopefully everybody is okay. Barry B |
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Post by spuddy on Feb 24, 2024 20:59:35 GMT 12
These were the starting grids
2024 New Zealand Sprintcar Championship 30 Lapper Feature Grids
1 2NZ Michael Pickens
2 46USA Joel Myres Jnr (who elected to run off Grid 2 being top qualifier)
3 4USA Jonathan Allard
4 84M Dean Cooper
5 3NZ Matthew Leversedge
6 21P Steven Taylor
7 1NZ Daniel Thomas
8 82M Jamie Larson
9 57N Connor Rangi
10 22K Dean Brindle
11 73K Brian Edwards
12 71A Jamie McDonald
13 6M James Dahm
14 19C Jamie Duff
15 98M Ryan O Connor
16 51M Rodney Wood
17 79M Max Guilford
18 99M Christian Hermansen
19 47A Zackary Sokol
20 88M Keaton Dahm
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Post by spuddy on Feb 24, 2024 21:09:41 GMT 12
Caution after 8 laps
Myers Jr
Pickens
Cooper
Larsen
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Post by brickie on Feb 24, 2024 21:19:02 GMT 12
Myers win. Another yank.
Congrats Joel.
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