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Post by King James on Jan 21, 2008 9:29:22 GMT 12
I dont like writing this as this driver and his father are 2 of my heroes.
But Shane Penn contracts to Palmy so he will get looked after at big meetings.
But what assistance did he provide anyone at Rotorua after his DNF in the 1st aside from getting in Bengstens way in the final heat. Had Bengsten had to have been in a runoff for 1st and 2nd, I would've been pissed... Not for the fact that 58p & 96h would have to fight for the title, but for the fact that 3nz did nothing to help his team.
He pushed his way passed Peter & Chucky and did nothing for them but to "try" and better himself...
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Post by sonic33 on Jan 21, 2008 9:52:07 GMT 12
I wasn't there, but was thinking the same thing. Was the same at the Nth Islands. I have seen him get plenty of help but haven't seen to much of the repaying. I haven't thought too much of it in the past because he is usually at the pointy end, but in these two meets with dnf in both the first heats I thought he may have helped out.We all know he can hit.
If Bengston got held up a wee bit more, Scotty could have taken the title to the Waikato.
Also interesting that the top four going into heat three were also the top 4 at the end of the heat, allbeit in a slighty different order. So all must have scored good points in the final heat. Not usual in a contact sport.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2008 10:15:17 GMT 12
I don't know why you are all so surprised, apart from helping each other, what have either Penn snr or Jr done to help anyone in the last 10 years in individual championship racing??? they both look after themselves and thats where the list stops.
Not saying there is anything wrong with that particularly, and I have never heard Shane say he went to PN so he would have more support at majors, I have heard him say its for better competition week in and out.
Not a fan of either Penn and I look forward to the day a PN driver stops him winning something by either holding him up or not assisting him where they could have. Might sound harsh but its my ever so humble opinion
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Post by Wildcat on Jan 21, 2008 11:18:00 GMT 12
Was at Rotorua ,thats xactactly what I was thinking ,,why is he flag racing ,as out of contention, and not helping Parmy boys ,,,Was surprised Pat Westbury didnt try to give the Parmy guys a bash ,and help Scotty Redfern ,instead looked like he was after 55r Franky from his club Rotorua,,
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Post by TimSOZ on Jan 21, 2008 11:41:01 GMT 12
With plenty of drivers wanting a spot in the Panthers, I'm sure the selectors are paying attention to all on-track activity. Going to be hard to work out who to leave out from Rees, Miers, Hemi, Bengston, Penn, Norris & Collingwood......
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Post by sonic33 on Jan 21, 2008 12:20:34 GMT 12
Have all the names you mentioned put their hand up for selection Tim?
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Post by scrapper44 on Jan 21, 2008 12:42:39 GMT 12
Well he wasn't going to even help his own father at the PN NZ champs so that says alot .Jarod Wade put the killer blow in then Shane Penn tryed to take some glory by holding him in the wall.
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Post by Ford Prefect on Jan 21, 2008 13:23:34 GMT 12
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed and or thought this at the time. Starting from grid 3 he was in the prime position to turn Scotty Redfern around and help Pete and Chucky out but several times it looked like he held back from turning Scotty around and actually cost Chucky a couple of extra spots when he pushed him wide to get past.
I also read at the time when he swapped to Palmy that one of his main reasons was to get extra support at the big meetings. May a few of his club mates will have taken note of what happened and that support might not be so forth coming in the future...............specially with Pete Rees watchin it all from the sidelines and possibly taking notes LOL
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Post by TimSOZ on Jan 21, 2008 13:58:11 GMT 12
Have all the names you mentioned put their hand up for selection Tim? The team earlier in the season against Nelson was Rees, Miers, Bengston, Penn & Norris, with Hemi not considered for selection due to only having raced one meeting. Collingwood stated his availability earlier in the season on his website. Sounds like they're all keen from that......... |
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Post by Markus M on Jan 21, 2008 14:00:20 GMT 12
Was surprised Pat Westbury didnt try to give the Parmy guys a bash ,and help Scotty Redfern ,instead looked like he was after 55r Franky from his club Rotorua,, I thought the same thing wildcat indeed it looked like Pat was after Frankie rather than a "P" car intresting  Cheers |
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Post by superford on Jan 21, 2008 14:06:19 GMT 12
I agree with all of the above - I've been a big fan of the Penns for numerous years (being a HB supporter) but I've always noticed that they look only after themselves, and now it's worse than ever - which is very surprising considering the might of the Palmerston North Susperstock ranks at the moment ,and the very real possibility that they could help him take 1nz. Seems like he is making sure he doesn't line up too many enemies prior to this years NZ Champs....
I'm no longer a supporter as he firstly turned his back on his home club, and now it appears he is doing the same to his current club, by not doing what he needs to do. I guessing now that so many people have made comment that the other PN cars won't be so supportive - especially if another PN car is in with a chance. Names like Bengston, Humphries, Rees and Miers have always put their cars on the line to support their club mates and should be commended for it.
For numerous years both Penns were rarely 'available' to race for the Hawkeyes and it took a lot of work just to get them in the team!! - there was always talk that the rest of the team weren't good enough for them to be involved.... and the years that they did show up at Palmy Teams, they did not then show up for the Teams Nats in Auckland.
Don't get me wrong, he's a brilliant driver and I love to watch him in action, but I'm more keen to see a few other drivers take the title ahead of him now.
As for Peter Rees watching this past weekend - does anyone else remember Peewees website update after the 2006 Manawatu Champs when he complained about the lack of support from other PN cars in the third heat when Kelvin Gray took the title in the Hampton car ? - well the guy that ran neck and neck with Gray through the entire 3rd heat was Penn.... and he did nothing... again... so I always thought that peewee's update was directed at Penn, but that's just me speculating....
It will be interesting to see who makes the panthers - but I'd bet that he will definately be in there. But if they overlook Collingwood, then they most definately are fools - he is a more complete Runner/Blocker package than Norris and even Penn. Best we don't talk about how little Miers has been doing, and his very much unproven machinery this season.... (might upset the palmy cheersquad )
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2008 14:25:06 GMT 12
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Post by SWP on Jan 21, 2008 14:42:19 GMT 12
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Post by King James on Jan 21, 2008 14:56:54 GMT 12
unbelievable is all i can say to this thread . i was sure Pete won the meeting !!! . any one would think he lost by 1 point all because of Shane Penn . man who's gunna get slagged off next .  Yeah I apologise, Im not trying to slag Shane Penn as I think he is one of the most aware thinking drivers in teams racing and when up on points in big meets. I just was stating that had he had tried to put a stop on some other contracted cars then Palmy might have had a clean sweep, espcially trying to get Chucky up there who hasnt had much big meeting experience. I repect every single driver who hits the track and very seldomly say anything bad about a driver. Wasnt trying too with this thread, just thought that if he wants drivers backs from Palmy in the future he might want to throw some help back. |
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Post by Ford Prefect on Jan 21, 2008 15:40:29 GMT 12
unbelievable is all i can say to this thread . i was sure Pete won the meeting !!! . any one would think he lost by 1 point all because of Shane Penn . man who's gunna get slagged off next . Yes Pete did win the meeting, but the fact is he didn't get any help from his Team mate. Guess he's just lucky neither Stanaway or Hickey got close enough to put a shot on him because history has shown that both those drivers would have. I maybe old fashioned but I've always thought that you back your Team mates in any sport and I'm pretty sure that Penn didn't do a lot to help Chucky's cause and from where I was sitting, it looked like he did more to hinder him than anything else. If this is considered slagging him off then so be it. But this is a discussion board and unfortunately not all discussion can be of the Ra Ra cheerleading variety all the time |
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Post by pallmall on Jan 21, 2008 17:13:56 GMT 12
There are certain speedway writers and commentators that over the past few years have created this nonsense about "team mates" at INDIVIDUAL championship meetings. Suddenly now you must not hit a car that is registered to the same track because he is a 'team mate", you must support a car registered at the same track because he is a "team mate" or "club mate".  This is a load of BS.  Sure there are guys who get support to win at Individual events, but these are often drivers from other tracks. Take a look at who parks by who at the big meetings and you will start to get some idea of where help may come from when needed. And, no I am not naming any names at all. If a driver wishes to race the way he does that is his right, he does not have to help or support anyone, nor expect help or support in return. There is no rule that says R must not hit R , or P hit P, even if they are both Rebels or Panthers . Just because drivers are in the same team at Palmy or Auckland teams events they don't have to be bosom buddies. This is supposed to be stockcar racing, you go to a weekly Palmy meeting and say the Superstocks don't hit, well apparently they are all "team mates", and can't hit each other.  King James you said you didn't like writing this, well don't, once you did you were having a go at a driver that you say is a hero. |
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Post by superford on Jan 21, 2008 17:26:54 GMT 12
unbelievable is all i can say to this thread . i was sure Pete won the meeting !!! . any one would think he lost by 1 point all because of Shane Penn . man who's gunna get slagged off next . Kinda missed the point on this one steiny118 - we're not simply slagging the guy off - but mearly discussing what he is, or in this case is not doing - although I did add some history that I felt was relevant to the discussion. And yes Pete did win the meeting - and did it without the expected assistance, which is what makes it even more of an achievement in my book. There is another thread that is titled "Peter Bengston" in which we can write congratulatory messages I agree with Ford Prefect on this one - discussion topics are not always "ra ra ra" in any drivers favour. |
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Post by Colin E on Jan 21, 2008 17:31:14 GMT 12
I don't remember this meeting being advertised as a Teams Meeting. People are moaning about Shane Penn didn't or did do this!!So what!!!!! I also have not heard anyone mention about on night one in qualifying, Collingwood and Joblin, both P cars spent a few laps pushing and shoving each other and almost taking each other out, Where was teammates/clubmates then??
Get over it guys, it's an individual title and if guys chose not to help others, so be it, and if no-one wants to help them well that means they have to prove that they are good enough.
How many H cars were there to help Scott Redfern? Maybe some R cars helped who knows, But he proved that he was good enough on the night.
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Post by Wildcat on Jan 21, 2008 17:50:01 GMT 12
Thats what was surprising not one car tryed to help Scotty Redfern as it could have been different result ,,,thought the Northen boys would have given assitant,, mind you there wasnt much bashing the 2 nights ,,excluding the teams race |
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Post by streetstocker on Jan 21, 2008 18:07:49 GMT 12
this made me laugh. i said to the mate beside i bet u $10 3NZ will now win the next 2 races. he said nah he will help his mates from plamy.
dont plamy poeple always say its going 2 b plamy 1 2 3. shane could have helped 77p and 94p.
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