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Post by damo1018 on Dec 6, 2008 22:50:28 GMT 12
thats awesome dave got 2nz.
well done, well worth the trip, awesome stuff
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Post by steeldog on Dec 6, 2008 22:58:06 GMT 12
1nz Brent Mcclymont 2nz 2nz Dave McCallion 26E 3nz Terry Coren 46m Do we have a list of where everyone else came? Heard that 75m Michelle Wymer 4th. Just missed out again, she was just outside last time as well if I remember right. |
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Post by NutZ on Dec 6, 2008 23:23:58 GMT 12
...There's a result a promoter could use to promote their track  I'm sure there will be a mention in the next meetings programme  |
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Post by tremors on Dec 6, 2008 23:48:38 GMT 12
What an absolute farce the first race was -- the race didnt start till around 9.15pm and then it was called off after the incident in the first corner -- we ( the crowd ) were told this was so the drivers could go and repair their cars !!! Whatever next  ?And then no driver was held accountable for the incident because the referees didnt see what happened -- hello ! where on earth were they ?? isnt it their job to actually watch the race ? especially the first corner in the first race -- the crowd know who was responsible and yet this driver wasnt put to the rear of the field -- so the cars all go off to the pits and then another couple of races are run , before they come back out for another start -- in all the years I have been going to speedway , I have never seen anything like it . The cars that were not involved in this incident were able to re adjust their setups if they wanted to . |
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Post by salooncar on Dec 7, 2008 0:20:26 GMT 12
Won't be 3nz. Out with mehanical gremlins Can anyone shed any light on the nature of said gremlins? Steve's crew were steadfastly refusing to comment even when asked directly and it would be nice if someone can quash the rumours that were circulating at the track. |
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Post by Zach11m on Dec 7, 2008 0:22:41 GMT 12
Won't be 3nz. Out with mehanical gremlins Can anyone shed any light on the nature of said gremlins? Steve's crew were steadfastly refusing to comment even when asked directly and it would be nice if someone can quash the rumours that were circulating at the track. Mel hills himself said over mic that it was Cam problems something wrong with that and didn't want to run it or it may have caused unfixable problems. Also Well Done to all drivers in the saloons tonight and last night, was wicked fast racing and some of the time clean haha, some bad crashes including major pile up consisting of 8 cars in turn 1 start of the race  bad luck to some of the other drivers too out with problems  |
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Dec 7, 2008 0:44:56 GMT 12
Interesting to see the ruling on 3 min bell after start of race!!!!! They changed the three minute bell rule as a select few competitors took advantage of it to the frustration of spectators and to have an advantage over fellow competitors ... But hey, they don't need the 3 minute bell, they've now gone even better, they'll let you go back to the pits and change your setup after the race has started. And the most disturbing / disappointing fact, the innocent party who got taken out, Paul Managh, on the start, was the only car missing from the lineup for the next attempt! |
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Post by Aaron Drever on Dec 7, 2008 0:53:51 GMT 12
My Understanding is that SNZ in association with the Drivers Rep and Promotor has the rights to cancel a race and re-run it latter in the night.
In fact it was done at Western Springs for the NZ TQ's in the 80's.
I feel that there is a case for both carrying on and re-running. From the reports on here it does sound like it has changed the whole result of the championship, that is the bit which is a grey area for me.
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Dec 7, 2008 0:59:17 GMT 12
My Understanding is that SNZ in association with the Drivers Rep and Promotor has the rights to cancel a race and re-run it latter in the night. In fact it was done at Western Springs for the NZ TQ's in the 80's. Refer us to the rule book reference Aaron. By all accounts the majority of the drivers were gobsmacked by the decision. I think three cars may have been unable to continue following the incident (was no accident!). |
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Post by Aaron Drever on Dec 7, 2008 1:17:04 GMT 12
G7-4-7 UNLESS OTHERWISE PROVIDED IN THESE
RULES, if an accident has occurred, and in the
opinion of the Referee it would be dangerous for the
race to continue, he shall have the race stopped by
giving the stop signal, and the race shall then be rerun
or re-started. The Referee and Steward only,
are empowered to stop a race, and no other official
shall initiate
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Post by salooncar on Dec 7, 2008 1:21:20 GMT 12
Or even more supposedly pertinent Aaron
R11-14-14 Amendment of Rules: Subject to local
conditions, the Rules in this Chapter may be amended
in part by the unanimous decision of the Stipendiary
Steward, if in attendance, or the Steward of the
Meeting, Clerk of the Course, and a representative of
the class of competitor competing, bearing in mind the
following three factors: safety of competitors, safety of
Spectators, and the better promotion of the events.
However the events at Huntly certainly didn't pass the test of "better promotion", and at no stage was the safety of competitors or spectators at risk from the running of a reduced field.
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Post by Aaron Drever on Dec 7, 2008 1:30:11 GMT 12
While you are correct (I was not present instead enjoying fantastic action at the Springs) There is a couple of outs for officals in the rule book depending on Interpretation etc.
This brings up another issue: STANDARDS that officals are at across the board.
If a Top Senior Rugby or League Referee gets it wrong and in-directly by getting it wrong infulences the outcome of a Test Match or Season Game - they get dumped and/or downgraded.
Why does this not happen in our sport, where there is more risk as in peoples lives (public and drivers) and a lot of $$$$$ on the table (cars and promotions). Surely if there was more performace based appointments over the selection of officals (Senior and Track Level) and more thought gone into the process then would we be able to expect and receive different outcomes than we are getting.
What I see is too much joe public trying to be a Referee with little or no expereince, no training apart from a 2 day induction course and no ongoing supervision controlling some peoples lives and $$$$.
You got to ask the Question?
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Post by Abb0 on Dec 7, 2008 1:43:47 GMT 12
I'm guessing it has to do with the lack of applications? There may not be many who want to incur the wrath of Macgorians  |
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Post by Zach11m on Dec 7, 2008 7:09:07 GMT 12
 Yaz caught in action hehe, Run Yaz Run!!! Looks like you got some air there too ;D 
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Post by sherylandrobert on Dec 7, 2008 8:37:12 GMT 12
such a shame that when we log in to find results of a title we once again have to wade thru loads of politics & disgruntled drivers & spectators,it just DESTROYS the sport,ive said it before & ill say it again we need refs on every corner out in the crowd,most other motorsports do it,seems someone in the crowd sees what happens & whos the cause!WE NEED TO GET IT TOGETHER-WE ARE TOO FAR BEHIND THE TIMES. ROBERT
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Post by bikeboy on Dec 7, 2008 9:56:43 GMT 12
race 1 turn 1,
my veiw, from the in car camera,
note: this shows one view from a car that started on row 5, remember that,
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Post by Steve the Maori on Dec 7, 2008 9:58:19 GMT 12
Well Done BRENT MCCYLMONT You sticked it to them Sticky Boy
Sorry to any body who was waiting for a final race update last night. Battery died on my cell phone and as I went to post the results of the final race my second battery died as well.
Well Done SNZ for stopping the first race after 50 metres racing. Half the field were involved which of course was to the advantage of the other half. Consider a Rugby game and the other team falls over from a heart attack , what sort of game would that be. Good Call, Good Racing, Good Result.
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Post by sonic33 on Dec 7, 2008 10:18:26 GMT 12
How did Wymer get to race? I heard she had a week stand down from BP last week.
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Dec 7, 2008 11:11:50 GMT 12
race 1 turn 1, my view, from the in car camera, note: this shows one view from a car that started on row 5, remember that, ... Couldn't see anthing that shed light on the cause of the incident .. just a clear view of you giving it to 17r up the rear, you naughty boy! |
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Post by BarryB on Dec 7, 2008 11:24:43 GMT 12
Well Done SNZ for stopping the first race after 50 metres racing. Half the field were involved which of course was to the advantage of the other half. Consider a Rugby game and the other team falls over from a heart attack , what sort of game would that be. Good Call, Good Racing, Good Result. How would the rugby game go? Well they wouldn't be allowed to replace all 15 players now would they. The other team would win, by default. And that is just what should have happened here. Just where does an official draw the line on when to get involved with these sorts of decisions which mean the result is at least partially determined off the track, and not on it. The race track is for racing, not the pits. This was NOT a good call......... I can understand a promotion wanting the greatest spectacle also (and I'm not suggesting for one second they were involved in the decision to delay and re-run the race later, at all), but when a championship is at stake the spectacle aspect has to take a back seat. |
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?And then no driver was held accountable for the incident because the referees didnt see what happened -- hello ! where on earth were they ?? isnt it their job to actually watch the race ? especially the first corner in the first race -- the crowd know who was responsible and yet this driver wasnt put to the rear of the field -- so the cars all go off to the pits and then another couple of races are run , before they come back out for another start -- in all the years I have been going to speedway , I have never seen anything like it .
bad luck to some of the other drivers too out with problems 
Yaz caught in action hehe, Run Yaz Run!!!
