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Post by Devilracer on Nov 17, 2014 9:51:24 GMT 12
This rule is a complete joke and makes a mockery of the sport. Straight lining to me is defined by a car taking another car off the end of the straight and still being connected on impact with the wall. Anything else is just racing. Yellow markers?? This is the stupidest thing ive heard of. If drivers and SNZ are worried about guys getting hurt more n more, its time to slow cars down. There is far too much flag racing within the class and the intent of the class is gone. Maybe its time to take bumpers and siderails off and start running English type cars. Stockcar racing was a contact sport the last time i looked. ALL of these drivers know the chance of getting hurt every time they get in a car and pull on a helmet. Maybe Matt(29B) remembered why he has a bumper on his car.
Its not nice to see drivers hurt but if this rule hasnt worked at 2 meetings this early in the season. Is it ever going to work. I doubt it.
Best wishes to Joe for a speedy recovery.
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Post by Ben Biggs on Nov 17, 2014 11:29:42 GMT 12
Has anyone any footage or pictures of this incident? There have been a number of different comments about what actually happened, from missing the yellow lines, but contact after, to it being definitely a straight line. Must have been a photograpger in attendence, or someone videoing from somewhere? And another quick question. Was this a brand new car, or the last tri rail modified to take a ford rather than a chev. There is footage Obby... but SNZ wants to use it for their investigation etc, so none of it has been released yet. |
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Post by steve66r on Nov 17, 2014 14:27:22 GMT 12
This rule is a complete joke and makes a mockery of the sport. Straight lining to me is defined by a car taking another car off the end of the straight and still being connected on impact with the wall. Anything else is just racing. Yellow markers?? This is the stupidest thing ive heard of. If drivers and SNZ are worried about guys getting hurt more n more, its time to slow cars down. There is far too much flag racing within the class and the intent of the class is gone. Maybe its time to take bumpers and siderails off and start running English type cars. Stockcar racing was a contact sport the last time i looked. ALL of these drivers know the chance of getting hurt every time they get in a car and pull on a helmet. Maybe Matt(29B) remembered why he has a bumper on his car. Its not nice to see drivers hurt but if this rule hasnt worked at 2 meetings this early in the season. Is it ever going to work. I doubt it. Best wishes to Joe for a speedy recovery. How many of the top drivers do you want to see on the side line due to head injuries??? How interesting would the racing be to watch if we had no drivers left? Most of the drivers out there have a job or business to turn up to on a Monday morning and a family to go home to after racing on a Saturday night. Guilty of "giving it out and being got", from the drivers seat I am 100% in favour of the straight line rule. Would be interesting to get a vote from the drivers themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 15:36:34 GMT 12
Agree there steve66r .. I for the life of me don't understand what sort of buzz drivers get out personally injuring another driver .It is total b/s .
These guys know what they are doing and the risks to the driver they are taking out .
A 28 day standown is a joke , the victim is parked up nursing injuries while the culprit gets a brief holiday and is back out racing .
Penaltys need to be harsher .
I can assure you , that if it was me on the receiving end of something deliberate such as this I would be getting real personal with whoever ... The rule says you are not allowed , but if drivers breach the rules it would be classed as deliberate ...
So that's a personal matter ..
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Post by mudman on Nov 17, 2014 16:41:52 GMT 12
I highly doubt any driver has ever got a buzz out of injuring a fellow driver or sets up to personally injure. i dont think thats how we are wired.
This rule is proving to be a joke. snz need a set of balls if the first punishment was heavy and maybe even a little over the top it would show snz are serious and not taking anything from the drivers or those with an opinion. it would put the fear of punishment into the drivers and the rule would be easier to police.
Just like if the next 1nz got his engine stripped found to be illegal and had his title stripped and a big stand down, suddenly we would all be booking into our engine builders getting ours double checked.
snz missed the chance to slow cars down to create safer racing instead they made more rules they are struggling to police.
The faster you go, The bigger the mess.
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Post by conrod on Nov 17, 2014 16:46:53 GMT 12
So how does the Rule swing for super Races But not Teams seems they want there cake and eat it as well.more people have come to harm teams racing than any where else
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 16:49:26 GMT 12
Good points there Mudman..
What I was meaning was that drivers know what the end result will be when deliberately putting in the king hits .....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 17:33:34 GMT 12
So how does the Rule swing for super Races But not Teams seems they want there cake and eat it as well.more people have come to harm teams racing than any where else I've been looking for the stats you must be quoting from, can you share them pls, or link to them. Look forward to seeing them. |
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Post by steiny118 on Nov 17, 2014 17:42:01 GMT 12
So how does the Rule swing for super Races But not Teams seems they want there cake and eat it as well.more people have come to harm teams racing than any where else |
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Post by The Observer on Nov 17, 2014 18:04:43 GMT 12
I hope they also look into the suitability of the car, and the drivers protection. If the elbow is broken it suggests it's hit the side of the car. Perhaps time for some padding on car and driver?
I wonder if they also will l look at the style of chassis. Yet another tri rail hurting drivers? It seems to be a consistent theme with this style of chassis that was built for teams racing to keep on going and going.
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Post by conrod on Nov 17, 2014 18:10:47 GMT 12
So how does the Rule swing for super Races But not Teams seems they want there cake and eat it as well.more people have come to harm teams racing than any where else I've been looking for the stats you must be quoting from, can you share them pls, or link to them. Look forward to seeing them. Lets not play chicken Ramjam theres more than enough footage on line off teams and the hits. The drivers wanted the straight line rule to apply but not on teams racing, why because they no it will be the kiss of death to feb the 5 or there abouts. Some off the biggest hits at the teams are Straight line. In a lot off races this single hit on a marked car will swing the race and you like me have seen some serious hits at palmy .So you tell me the next death at teams champs and there will be one, what are they going to say to the Coroner ?oh yes we new it was dangerous so we banded it from saturday night racing but its ok to do it here because we said so,what a load off nuts speedway NZ is setting its self up for a big fall....all they had to do was slow them down |
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Post by BarryB on Nov 17, 2014 19:49:48 GMT 12
One of the differences in a teams race is that any driver only has to watch out for a maximum of 4 others who are trying to get them, he knows they are trying to get them and they are easily identifiable. He can therefore take actions in a bid to prevent being straightened. It's a bit different to being in a field with 25 others and the aggressors undetermined.
Barry B
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Post by insane1 on Nov 17, 2014 19:54:14 GMT 12
to true barry but what in your mind should the punishment be for the hit on joe faram?.
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Post by beachboy on Nov 17, 2014 20:45:19 GMT 12
Does the new rule make it all the more dangerous and lethal now because drivers will get half way down the straight and commit to the corner at full pace knowing the driver behind cant (well shouldn't) straight line you but decides to make a big as cheap shot and does it anyway only to receive something like the penalty mentioned above. Very good point here, if there is a rule preventing straight lining then the drivers surely must have some degree of confidence they can go into the corner & not be concerned about being taken out by straight line. Exactly the same confidence you would have for not being taken out by a car whilst under red light, or being taken out by a car travelling in the wrong direction, or being taken out by someone clearly driving across the grass. You would not expect to be taken out in such ways, & therefore unless there is a good reason for it (driver unconscious etc.) then the offending driver has some explaining to do. I never saw the hit, nor was I at the track, but if as already mentioned the second hit occurred within the yellow, then if it looks like a duck, fly’s like a duck, quacks like a duck, then likely it will be a duck. The ‘no strait lining’ rule was brought in to prevent injury, with this being the second high profile suspected straight line, perhaps the message hasn’t got through, & maybe the written rule gives too much wriggle room for the offenders to get out, & perhaps the consequences aren’t big enough for the offender. I personally don’t think the yellow lines should be used in the rule, I’m more inclined to think words along the lines of the original proposal are closer to the mark with putting an emphasis on breaking free of the second hit where the victim is smashed against the concrete with the offender accelerating at the same time. I also think the offender should have a far greater consequence, as you would if you deliberately drove around the track the wrong way. Hopefully Joe isn’t long off the track. BL "confidence" that's the word I was looking for.  |
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Post by alleycat137a on Nov 17, 2014 21:13:55 GMT 12
Teams racing and normal racing are two totally different things.. Like Barry said in a normal race you hav 25 others that could get you were as in a teams race you have two that want to get passed you and two that want to smash you.. (Generally). So it's easier. As a driver I agree with the rule because just like what's been said before. We all got to go to work on Monday.. It's a Saturday night hobby ffs. Nothing more nothin less.. Dont get me wrong, People are going to get hurt, it's a contact sport and that's why we do it but if we can try eliminate the injuries by bringing in this rule then I'm all for it.. Snz just need to harden up and actually police our sport like we pay them too.. End of the day when you pick someone up and wind them in you know before you've done it that it's illegal, it's no different to building an illegal engine and putting it in and going racing.. So the consequences should be the same..I haven't seen footages but the likes of Matt demanser and Asher Rees ( if it was a straight line ) should be gone for the rest of season.. Just like you would be if u put that illegal engine in.. Just my thoughts any way...
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Post by BarryB on Nov 18, 2014 0:06:08 GMT 12
to true barry but what in your mind should the punishment be for the hit on joe faram?. I have no idea. I wasn't at the track and I haven't seen any footage of the incident. I cannot make a judgement based on what people are saying on here. Barry B |
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Post by steve66r on Nov 18, 2014 10:09:33 GMT 12
I hope they also look into the suitability of the car, and the drivers protection. If the elbow is broken it suggests it's hit the side of the car. Perhaps time for some padding on car and driver? I wonder if they also will l look at the style of chassis. Yet another tri rail hurting drivers? It seems to be a consistent theme with this style of chassis that was built for teams racing to keep on going and going. In recent years there have been more and more knockouts, Hickey, Rees, Osbourne, Collinwood, Hampton, Penn, Gray, Steiny, Humphrey, Faram to name a few and many more. So are you saying that you are an expert on chassis design and know more than Gordge, Gill, Rees, Top Gear, HRP?? The common denominator here is car verses concrete wall, end of story.
Just been in contact with Joe, unfortunately he also has a broken hip, hopefully he has a speedy recovery.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 14:44:14 GMT 12
Fired into the concrete and we are questioning how much padding the car had Observer  ? Come on I thought you were a bit brighter than that . Isnt the reason why the straightlining rule was brought in ,because of the severe injuries . Doesn't matter what type of chassis you are in , full noise , steel hitting concrete = disaster ... SNZ should be looking no further than the driver who broke the rules, end of story ... Break the rules and seriously injure another competitor , the culprit should be stood down for the length of a season . |
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Post by Moo on Nov 18, 2014 15:01:23 GMT 12
Fired into the concrete and we are questioning how much padding the car had Observer ? Come on I thought you were a bit brighter than that . Isnt the reason why the straightlining rule was brought in ,because of the severe injuries . Doesn't matter what type of chassis you are in , full noise , steel hitting concrete = disaster ... SNZ should be looking no further than the driver who broke the rules, end of story ... Break the rules and seriously injure another competitor , the culprit should be stood down for the length of a season . Agreed, but unfortunately I dont see how 29B can be punished any more than 126P was assuming they were both ruled straightlines, unless of course 4Bs health and safety is more important than 79Ps health and safety, or 126P is given more leniency to the rules than 29B is (which im sure isnt the case). Ultimately it looks like only the drivers can control this one by respecting the reason why the rule was implemented in the first place. Hopefully this is the last time we have to read an article in the local newspaper about racers in hospital due to straighlining! All the best to Joe for a speedy recovery |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 15:33:14 GMT 12
I feel that the rulings were wrong in both incidents to be honest Moo ...
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