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Post by go29 on Feb 7, 2015 10:14:30 GMT 12
I really felt for Startford.. I thought they were looking like a decent chance this year. I'm not sure what the circumstances were around Williams being replaced but jeez... that 6s tank was just awful. In their first race against the Brawlers he just chugged around. At one point a Stratford car (I think it was 52s) was leading and came up behind one of the Brawlers who blocked him well. Then the 6s tank sat in behind his team mate... circulating watching others drive past. Why did he not get out from behind his team mate and try to push the Brawler car out of the way?
Easy to say when I'm not in the car I know, I just really felt for Stratford because I thought they were going to have a good year. The issues with Shearers car before the first race obviously didn't help.
Also thought Carl Hodge went from hero last year to zero this year for Auckland. In their first race he tried to go around the outside and got hung up the wall. Then did the exact same thing in their second race.. Taniwha is a real asset for that team.. Awesome at blocking and I like the fact they haven't put him in a superstock like some people suggest should happen, he is obviously comfortable in his car.
I also thought the 3 minute stuff was pretty screwed up. I think it would be a great idea (as previously mentioned) to have it displayed on the big screen.
And lastly, have to agree 15v Hiebner was awesome. Clinical hits, managing to eliminate others without causing any substantial damage to his own car. Lets go the Warriors!!
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Post by BarryB on Feb 7, 2015 10:16:56 GMT 12
Just a few points from last night:- 1. Kyle Heibner has certainly added the x-factor to the Warriors. It's not only Podjursky & Mooney that teams have to worry about now. 2. Karl Ross was very very impressive also for Baypark. Foot to the floor & super slick. 3. Carl Hodge has a reputation now, which was evident in both Auckland races where I don't believe he completed a lap ending up the wall on both occasions - opposition teams now factor him in to their equations. Scott Tennant looks the good though - fearless :-). 4. For a newbie Quinton Butcher did some very intelligent work for the Hawkeyes - making a general nuisance of himself when needed. That Hawkes Bay team has a nice balance to it. 5. The Nelson supporters will be disappointed - particularly against the Mustangs when all four cars were running for the flag - oh to have a Brendon Higgins back in the saddle. 6. Hang in their Rotorua fans - your luck must change soon. Nice machinery, good drivers but just don't get the rub of the green. 7. The Wildcats have a bright future - led by Dale Robertson they will only get better with experience. 8. The track between turn 3 & 4 developed some big ruts on what was a generally soft surface. By the last 2 races, drivers had to get it right or they risked breaking more than just their cars. 9. A suggestion to the commentary team - try not to deliver points & drivers news while there are cars still circulating on the track. It makes it hard to pick up what is going down. 10. And finally - all the best to the drivers needing medical attention. The hit up the rear on Lala was sickening - I'm not surprised to hear he has broken vertebrae. Roger Morrison. 1.Yes 2.Yes 3.Yes......surprise factor of 2014 has well and truly gone 4.Yes, I noticed that too 5.Yes 6.Yes 7.Agreed 8. 9.Points etc should be given at least twice.......immediately and again when quiet 10.Get well soon guys Barry B |
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Post by beachboy on Feb 7, 2015 10:27:36 GMT 12
Agreed, the lack of bonnet thing is a fire hazard plain and simple, but after an official checked, then let the warriors car continue with a sway / anti roll bar trailing behind and bouncing off the track was asking for trouble. Maybe who you know, not what you do? the warriors were not racing against a P team thou. |
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Post by beachboy on Feb 7, 2015 10:30:23 GMT 12
On another note, does 3 hospitalized injuries worry us for the future of teams racing? Surely thats going to draw some attnetion of those who are worried for the safety of our sport. I hope not but recent decisons with individual racing suggests teams may also need an overhaul. What sort of chassis were they this time, any tri rails? or just unlucky big hits? |
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Post by boner87 on Feb 7, 2015 10:57:54 GMT 12
Two top gears and a Gill chassis. Just big hits that's all really
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Post by penman on Feb 7, 2015 11:33:55 GMT 12
How was Nelson allowed to run illegal numbers? (When even the Poms changed their cars during the week after WP) Barry B *yawn* Isn't this topic a bit past it now Barry? It's JUST numbers on a car - that's all. Perhaps those at scrutineering might be able to shed some light on it - as nelson may well have found a loophole in the rules and used them (which would not make it illegal; I don't know) But, end of the day (or night), it didn't do them any good did it? |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 7, 2015 11:48:37 GMT 12
There were a few changes to the points last night that weren't announced, so these now are the official ones (as opposed to what I posted in this thread last night);
Group A
Panthers 265
Mustangs 160
Tigers 160
Group B
Hawkeyes 320
Allstars 185 (were 175)
Gleneagles 80 (were 90)
Group C
Warriors 310
Wildcats 150
Rebels 105
Group D
Brawlers 335 (were 320)
Lions 135 (were 150)
Scrappers 105 (were 115)
Barry B
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Post by The other guy on Feb 7, 2015 11:57:07 GMT 12
Pazza I am also 100% Stratty and fully agree with your comment bout lack of contact at home.
It sure shows in the big time.
We must have the biggest saloon class in the country (3 classes)
When we were winning the Teams Champs we had hard drivers.(a great era)
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Post by BarryB on Feb 7, 2015 12:04:25 GMT 12
*yawn* Isn't this topic a bit past it now Barry? It's JUST numbers on a car - that's all. Perhaps those at scrutineering might be able to shed some light on it - as nelson may well have found a loophole in the rules and used them (which would not make it illegal; I don't know) But, end of the day (or night), it didn't do them any good did it? Depends which camp you're in I guess penman. Many will argue long and hard on here that "rules are rules", and that all anybody ever asks for is consistency in enforcing said rules. Bruce gave teams 12 months notice of this new number rule. 11 of the 12 teams were able to understand and comply. Nowhere in speedway should there exist a clause whereby if you don't like a rule, any rule (track rule or SNZ), that if you ignore it long enough it doesn't apply anymore. And no, it didn't do them any good. Barry B |
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Post by Roxcyford on Feb 7, 2015 12:17:29 GMT 12
There were a few changes to the points last night that weren't announced, so these now are the official ones (as opposed to what I posted in this thread last night); Group APanthers 265 Mustangs 160 Tigers 160 Group BHawkeyes 320 Allstars 185 (were 175) Gleneagles 80 (were 90) Group CWarriors 310 Wildcats 150 Rebels 105 Group DBrawlers 335 (were 320) Lions 135 (were 150) Scrappers 115 Barry B on the palmy site they have scrappers 105 points same as rebels so will there be a run off to decide 10 and 11 for next year?? |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 7, 2015 12:23:50 GMT 12
Sorry, that was a typo (now corrected above). I suspect a DNF car was originally given 10 points, then had them removed again.
Barry B
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Post by boner87 on Feb 7, 2015 12:33:41 GMT 12
There were a few changes to the points last night that weren't announced, so these now are the official ones (as opposed to what I posted in this thread last night); Group APanthers 265 Mustangs 160 Tigers 160 Group BHawkeyes 320 Allstars 185 (were 175) Gleneagles 80 (were 90) Group CWarriors 310 Wildcats 150 Rebels 105 Group DBrawlers 335 (were 320) Lions 135 (were 150) Scrappers 115 Barry B on the palmy site they have scrappers 105 points same as rebels so will there be a run off to decide 10 and 11 for next year?? No because 10-11 next year is decide by a draw. Only need for run off as 2nd in each group go they tonight for 3-8. Hence the run off last night |
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Post by beachboy on Feb 7, 2015 12:40:15 GMT 12
At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist/broken record/over zealous fan I find it incredible that the name Rees was not mentioned at all over the PA all night. Not saying reference to recent issues but surely he is past feats would have come up as indeed mention of other past greats did. or when referring to those who helped the Lions - his name went missing. Were the comentators under instruction not to say the name and is that a sign of just how bad the blood is now between driver and track? How great was it however to see Scott Tennant with Rees emblazojed over the bonnet as he replicated Pete Rees's drive vs Rotorua with smoke everywhere (that topped Pete) to get his team through. I thought Ree's said he wouldn't be racing at the teams champs because of Personal reasons and wanted people to respect this as it was a private matter. So that could be a start as to why his name wasn't talked about last night. He didn't race last year so nothing to talk about there. |
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Post by penman on Feb 7, 2015 12:41:51 GMT 12
*yawn* Isn't this topic a bit past it now Barry? It's JUST numbers on a car - that's all. Perhaps those at scrutineering might be able to shed some light on it - as Nelson may well have found a loophole in the rules and used them (which would not make it illegal; I don't know) But, end of the day (or night), it didn't do them any good did it? Depends which camp you're in I guess penman. Many will argue long and hard on here that "rules are rules", and that all anybody ever asks for is consistency in enforcing said rules. Bruce gave teams 12 months notice of this new number rule. 11 of the 12 teams were able to understand and comply. Nowhere in speedway should there exist a clause whereby if you don't like a rule, any rule (track rule or SNZ), that if you ignore it long enough it doesn't apply anymore. And no, it didn't do them any good. Barry B Which still fails to address the comment "Perhaps those at scrutineering might be able to shed some light on it - as Nelson may well have found a loophole in the rules and used them (which would not make it illegal; I don't know)" Has anyone asked an official? Has anyone asked the Tigers team directly? If a loophole has been found (and I do say "if") and the Tigers have used it to their 'advantage' (once again, I do say "advantage" with my tongue placed firmly in my cheek), then is it illegal? So it may not be a case of "11 of the 2 teams were able to understand and comply" as opposed to one of the 12 teams working the rules to the letter of the law. Until someone is asked, no-one's none the wiser... |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 7, 2015 12:47:45 GMT 12
Overall (and totally irrelevant)
1; Baypark Brawlers 335
2; Hawkes Bay Hawkeyes 320
3; Wanganui Warriors 310
4; Palmy North Panthers 265
5; Auckland Allstars 185
6; Manawatu Mustangs 160 (after winning runoff)
7; Nelson Tigers 160 (after losing runoff)
8; Wellington Wildcats 150
9; Great Britain Lions 135
10=; Rotorua Rebels 105
10=; Stratford Scrappers 105
12; Canterbury Glen Eagles 80
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 12:51:07 GMT 12
Someone may be able to correct me or confirm, but as far as I understand, the Nelson drivers registered under two numbers when they signed up at the beginning of the season, therefore nothing illegal, and a smart way to get around the new rule.
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Post by savstl1000 on Feb 7, 2015 12:59:33 GMT 12
*yawn* Isn't this topic a bit past it now Barry? It's JUST numbers on a car - that's all. Perhaps those at scrutineering might be able to shed some light on it - as nelson may well have found a loophole in the rules and used them (which would not make it illegal; I don't know) But, end of the day (or night), it didn't do them any good did it? I see all the teams cars are registered with these as there normal numbers at the mo have a look on the nelson website. ha guess they found the loop hole which would make it legal as barry b would it not? |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 7, 2015 13:03:25 GMT 12
Someone may be able to correct me or confirm, but as far as I understand, the Nelson drivers registered under two numbers when they signed up at the beginning of the season, therefore nothing illegal, and a smart way to get around the new rule. So smart they finished 3rd of three in their group  You may be right Richard. I haven't checked it out yet as I'm sure everybody down Palmy way is wayyyyyyyy to busy to worry about such a thing today. Bruce will likely change the wording on his local rule now, as the INTENT of the rule is obviously that all team cars race under the driver's "normal racing number". Will we see these 5 cars carrying these numbers for the rest of the season under normal racing conditions? What you've described therefore may not be illegal, but it's certainly flouting the intent of the rule to the max. To what end? Mind you, it's the Stockcar teams like the Auckland Alleycats and the Rotorua Rascals that really need pulling into line. The Superstock teams with sequential numbers weren't the ones doing the most harm........ Barry B |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 7, 2015 13:06:37 GMT 12
I see all the teams cars are registered with these as there normal numbers at the mo have a look on the nelson website. ha guess they found the loop hole which would make it legal as barry b would it not? I guess so.......... Barry B |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 13:09:43 GMT 12
Someone may be able to correct me or confirm, but as far as I understand, the Nelson drivers registered under two numbers when they signed up at the beginning of the season, therefore nothing illegal, and a smart way to get around the new rule. So smart they finished 3rd of three in their group You may be right Richard. I haven't checked it out yet as I'm sure everybody down Palmy way is wayyyyyyyy to busy to worry about such a thing today. Bruce will likely change the wording on his local rule now, as the INTENT of the rule is obviously that all team cars race under the driver's "normal racing number". Will we see these 5 cars carrying these numbers for the rest of the season under normal racing conditions? What you've described therefore may not be illegal, but it's certainly flouting the intent of the rule to the max. To what end? Mind you, it's the Stockcar teams like the Auckland Alleycats and the Rotorua Rascals that really need pulling into line. The Superstock teams with sequential numbers weren't the ones doing the most harm........ Barry B So smart that no one else thought to do the same Barry :-) Maybe its a stand to show what they think of the new rule....if it is, then I support them 100%. |
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