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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2015 16:30:55 GMT 12
Only cause this one night in Auckland.... LOL Yup |
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2015 16:37:38 GMT 12
I've tried to refrain from this debate this time around as it really is just rehashing everything that was said in February, but the one thing most people are overlooking is that it's the promoter's event, he sets the terms of entry and teams enter said advertised competition. The promoter sets the dates and he sets the format, the amount of laps to be run in each race, the prize money. He stipulates the class of car to be raced and certain things that the teams must comply with, two being matching bodywork and normal racing numbers. He arranges the draw. It is the promotion's event, put on for the competitors and the fans, yes, but it is the promotion who is in charge of what, where, when and how things happen. A team can't expect to turn up a week early or a week late and expect to compete, just as they can't turn up with seven cars, 10 drivers, an underweight rocket-fuelled flier to use as a runner or a 2000kg Sherman tank to use a block car. The rules are quite clear and 91.666667% of teams understood that last season. If a team is able to flaunt the rules then maybe the promotion should flaunt paying out any prize money due to such teams. Barry B But something like the teams champs is a national title. While the promoter is still allowing use of the track to to drivers, it is SNZ who are in charge in my opinion. And that goes for all national titles under their jurisdiction. If its a regular weekend race, the promoter should be allowed to have specific rules, but if its a national title, the people in charge are the governing body for that sport, just like FIFA would make the rules for a Soccer world cup, not the country hosting it. They would be able to add to those rules, but FIFA would have the last say. But other then that I agree with your points. You shouldn't make errors like that with that username. The Palmy Teams Champs are a private promotion created by the Palmerston promotion. Might be time for a little research. |
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2015 18:58:02 GMT 12
Panthers 1 2 3 using proper race numbers. I think 1 Tiger finished.
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2015 19:00:39 GMT 12
Hemi excelled leading most of the way. Kerry Humphries wrecked himself while wrecking the Nelson tank.
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Post by southsuperstock on Nov 28, 2015 19:09:40 GMT 12
Panthers 1 2 3 using proper race numbers. I think 1 Tiger finished. Dont think using "proper race numbers" made much difference really  |
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Post by 4zfed on Nov 28, 2015 19:26:55 GMT 12
Who did all the damage..that will give the Panthers something to think about..Hemi seems to really have the reliability sorted..
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2015 19:33:14 GMT 12
Panthers 1 2 3 using proper race numbers. I think 1 Tiger finished. Dont think using "proper race numbers" made much difference really Did to me lol |
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Post by sonic33 on Nov 28, 2015 19:37:48 GMT 12
Private means money. Alcohol and gate prices add to profit for a private enterprise.
However, a null and void argument as SNZ don't control gate prices and sale of alcohol do they?
Apologies, The above post was a response to a beachboy post that it seems has been deleted. Moderators please delete my post as it no longer has context
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2015 19:38:39 GMT 12
Who did all the damage..that will give the Panthers something to think about..Hemi seems to really have the reliability sorted.. Hemi was on a mission and raced smart. His car is the goods now. Watching on the stream hard to see all action but think I saw a couple of Tigers collide with each other.Tigers were never in the hunt though with Panthers at least 1st and 2nd from turn one. 79p taking the tank out was a deciding factor against any recovery by the Tigers I think. |
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Post by southsuperstock on Nov 28, 2015 19:55:36 GMT 12
This is too funny? Who was 97? You still confused Macgor?  Sounds like the Panthers had it under control from the green flag, well done Panthers |
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Post by southsuperstock on Nov 28, 2015 19:57:06 GMT 12
Thats better, 79, keyboard caught you out |
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2015 20:09:42 GMT 12
Thats better, 79, keyboard caught you out Bloody smart phone |
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Post by teamschampshistorian on Nov 28, 2015 21:54:31 GMT 12
But something like the teams champs is a national title. While the promoter is still allowing use of the track to to drivers, it is SNZ who are in charge in my opinion. And that goes for all national titles under their jurisdiction. If its a regular weekend race, the promoter should be allowed to have specific rules, but if its a national title, the people in charge are the governing body for that sport, just like FIFA would make the rules for a Soccer world cup, not the country hosting it. They would be able to add to those rules, but FIFA would have the last say. But other then that I agree with your points. You shouldn't make errors like that with that username. The Palmy Teams Champs are a private promotion created by the Palmerston promotion. Might be time for a little research. I couldn't give a flying [Use your imagination] about the technical part of it, all I care about is the racing and the drivers. The Teams Champs is to decide who the best team is in the world for that year. No different from the races to find 1NZ. I have considered the Teams Champs a national title my entire life. And how the largest single meeting in the season, drawing some of the best drivers from around the world to the track, and bringing in thousands of spectators, is not regarded as a National Title is beyond me. It sounds like everyone at SNZ needs to be fired. I swear NZ has to be the dumbest country in the entire world. It would be a miracle if something in this country (whether it was the government, or a private organisation) functioned logically and properly. Clearly we slept in when God handed out intelligence. But regardless, I couldn't care one iota about what the technical details are, its a national title in my book and anyone who disagrees can try me. |
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Post by maninstand on Nov 28, 2015 22:07:34 GMT 12
Haha love it historian. Your dead right. It's the New Zealand chanps of teams racing and that's the end of it.
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Post by Go Slideways on Nov 28, 2015 22:21:44 GMT 12
Ummm before we get back on topic (Panthers v Tigers) any chance you could replace the word "we" with a single letter teamschampshistorian? that'd make it your 22nd post.
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Post by teamschampshistorian on Nov 28, 2015 22:33:15 GMT 12
Haha love it historian. Your dead right. It's the New Zealand chanps of teams racing and that's the end of it. It's the same as the complicated essay about what's a straight line and what's not. But let's not go there because it ain't rocket science. That's not as bad as "Riding the wall when you have no steering is an illegal advantage" but "Putting a car up the wall is fine". But yeah, SNZ has gone south with a lot of their rules and regs lately. And yes Slidey, you are correct. I should have said "u". I was clearly one of the lucky ones that was blessed so saying "we" was a big mistake. But I meant NZ as a whole in that statement, so "we" fitted better than "you" As for the race, it was good racing from both teams, but the Panthers got lucky. Had the Tigers been functioning properly it may have been different. Even die hard Panther fans I know weren't picking them to win, but they came through. Hemi's car sounded like heaven! |
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Post by Go Slideways on Nov 28, 2015 22:54:24 GMT 12
I'll leave this thread up to you then wise one.
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Post by graemeh on Nov 29, 2015 7:39:00 GMT 12
Teamschampshistorian "quote"
The Teams Champs is to decide who the best team is in the world for that year. No different from the races to find 1NZ. I have considered the Teams Champs a national title my entire life. And how the largest single meeting in the season, drawing some of the best drivers from around the world to the track, and bringing in thousands of spectators, is not regarded as a National Title is beyond me. It sounds like everyone at SNZ needs to be fired. I swear NZ has to be the dumbest country in the entire world. It would be a miracle if something in this country (whether it was the government, or a private organisation) functioned logically and properly. Clearly we slept in when God handed out intelligence.
But regardless, I couldn't care one iota about what the technical details are, its a national title in my book and anyone who disagrees can try me.[/quote][/i]
Don't normally get involved with posters who so obviously mix up their opinion as facts but with your user name so far off, I've got to disagree with you.
The Palmerston Teams champs, whilst a great event, can only ever be considered an "Invitational" event and not a National Title as representation is not open to all tracks. It doesn't even meet the NZ Stockcar Teams championship criteria.
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Post by BarryB on Nov 29, 2015 8:28:19 GMT 12
You shouldn't make errors like that with that username. The Palmy Teams Champs are a private promotion created by the Palmerston promotion. Might be time for a little research. I couldn't give a flying [Use your imagination] about the technical part of it, all I care about is the racing and the drivers. The Teams Champs is to decide who the best team is in the world for that year. No different from the races to find 1NZ. I have considered the Teams Champs a national title my entire life. And how the largest single meeting in the season, drawing some of the best drivers from around the world to the track, and bringing in thousands of spectators, is not regarded as a National Title is beyond me. It sounds like everyone at SNZ needs to be fired. I swear NZ has to be the dumbest country in the entire world. It would be a miracle if something in this country (whether it was the government, or a private organisation) functioned logically and properly. Clearly we slept in when God handed out intelligence. But regardless, I couldn't care one iota about what the technical details are, its a national title in my book and anyone who disagrees can try me. I really think you should consider changing your logon name. There's arguably only one person suited to that name, and it's not you. To be a historian you have to deal with facts without sentiment, and you're clearly not doing that here. The fact is the Palmy Teams Champs is a promotional event, not a National Title, and SNZ has nothing to do with that fact. Perhaps it was only you that slept in on the morning you refer too? At least when the "ability to seperate fact from fantasy" brain cells were handed out... Barry B |
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Post by teamschampshistorian on Nov 29, 2015 8:37:20 GMT 12
Teamschampshistorian "quote" The Teams Champs is to decide who the best team is in the world for that year. No different from the races to find 1NZ. I have considered the Teams Champs a national title my entire life. And how the largest single meeting in the season, drawing some of the best drivers from around the world to the track, and bringing in thousands of spectators, is not regarded as a National Title is beyond me. It sounds like everyone at SNZ needs to be fired. I swear NZ has to be the dumbest country in the entire world. It would be a miracle if something in this country (whether it was the government, or a private organisation) functioned logically and properly. Clearly we slept in when God handed out intelligence.
But regardless, I couldn't care one iota about what the technical details are, its a national title in my book and anyone who disagrees can try me.[/i] Don't normally get involved with posters who so obviously mix up their opinion as facts but with your user name so far off, I've got to disagree with you. The Palmerston Teams champs, whilst a great event, can only ever be considered an "Invitational" event and not a National Title as representation is not open to all tracks. It doesn't even meet the NZ Stockcar Teams championship criteria. [/quote] Not open to all tracks. Proof. Cause last I checked, if you can get a team together and make it to the event, you can compete. I couldn't find anything in the rule book defining the requirements for a National Title. I did read that the Stockcar Teams is a national title: (d) New Zealand Stockcar Teams Championship This event is considered an allocated title, and all relevant allocated title rules apply apart from the following exceptions:- (i) Only one team per licensed track. (ii) Competitors must be licensed to the track they represent. (iii) The winning track is allocated the title for the next season. This just took on a whole new level of stupidity. |
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