Response from Beatle. (Read 6,135 times)

[Beatle]

Well i bet some of you are feeling like right tossers for some of the crap you've posted.I really was'nt going to respond and just let you think what you like but have changed my mind.Firstly the refs got it pretty well right and i feel the $100 fine and trailered was probably fair enough.To clarify the actual circumstances around the hit you may not realise that I had suffered a broken shock in the 2nd heat so after an average result in the first race I decided to do what i usually do when out of contention.I spent several laps attacking cars. I had seen Pete circulating so I knew he was either leading or close to it and was waiting for the chance to have a go at him.I saw him coming up the straight behind me and although i would have liked to be further into the corner I prepared for him to punt me and I was trying to set myself to retaliate,well this is exactly what happened I got punted straightened to position myself to attack and waited for a glimpse of him, as i saw him out the corner of my eye i floored it and tried to hit him in the wheel hoping to stop him.

You know when I was getting towed off the track I was feeling pretty pleased with that hit until I heard the jeers,I had no idea at that stage I had broken the rules I felt a bit stink about that.

As i told the ref I was looking for one thing after getting hit and it was'nt the pole line.I shook Pete's hand and told him I was glad he got through but only because I had inadvertanly transgressed.

As for any personal differences sorry to dissappoint but I have no axe to grind with Pete and I fully expect payback to be a real pregnant dog but when out of contention i will not crash someone who just got last but i'll try for the good drivers the one's that have had a title or look like a top chance.

As for the Scooterbuilt car theory,Scooter and I team raced down South and we get on pretty well, when the Tank got damaged at the NI's I was offered the drive so jumped at it rather than miss the NZ's again.This sort of friendship is what Speedway is all about for me.

The over reaction to the crash was even more stupid when we all saw a worse one on Sat night that had more impact on the result and barely a word spoken of it.

I also suffered the lowest point of my Speedway career when Terry Healy threw stones at me as I was being towed off the track and was yelling all sorts of rubbish and then charged to my trailer for some reason.Lucky I was called to the office i suppose.Talk to me call me a thingy to me face I can handle that but grow up because my family and friends don't need to see that sort of rubbish.I notice on Sunday at PN his two cars could'nt of seen me cause they both ran into me.Keep it on the track guys cause i'd still like to have a beer in peace after the racing is done.

Hell this has turned into a bloody novel but I hope you can relate to what I have explained,You couch racers stand out like dog goolies with your remarks on here but you guys that are or have raced are easily picked out as well.Keep it in context have another look on youtube it's not that bad.

[mal]

well said beatle

[Devilracer]

Agreed. I looked at the clip and thoought, "was that it?"
I had expected some big hit where you put Pete thru the concrete or the fence. I can see how you would be looking for the car not the poleline, if most modified drivers looked for the poleline they would be running into others more often.

If you broke the rules and have been punished, done and dusted, if you were Steve Williams you would have got away with it.

[mike88g]

Ther is nothing like the truth from the horses mouth. It makes a few blush after mouthing off.

Light travels faster than sound, that why some people seem bright until they speak.

That situation is like having people from the crowd telling you how you should drive the race when they haven't even been close to racing themselves.
It is extremely annoying.

[mickeymouse]

Good on you for setting the record straight, I didn't see the hit happen, I was watching the other end of the track at the time which is why I haven't commented on it, until now, after hearing your version of what happened.

Even when I saw the video on YouTube I still wasn't convinced that it was anything more than a racing incident. I tried to put myself in your position, being hit and then the first instinct would of been to hit back, especially as you were in attack mode.

In that second or so you have to gather your thoughts, the last thing to go through your mind especially when you've spotted your target going past, would be your position on the race track.

A comment was made, more than once I might add by the commentary team, describing it as "despicable", that would of swayed a few peoples opinion of the incident and I thought that was out of line, It should of been left to the referee's to decide how bad it was after getting your version of events before anyone else in that position commented on it in that manner, it should of just been described as a questionable hit or something, not described as a despicable act. I can't help thinking it may of been a factor in the stone throwing incident.

Good to see there's no hard feelings between the drivers involved and the matter will stay on the track, as it should. As for the stone thrower, I don't think he should be allowed back at any track, thats just going to far for my liking.

[NutZ]

I'm suprised you took the time to type that wall of text because there was no need to really.
Most of us wear short skirts and blouses on here like the folk on talk back radio.
We will probably hit Terry Healy with our handbags now!

[mintie]

The commentary team was me. At the time and you can hear what i said on you tube clip was the words "that was off the grass and that is all i will say on the matter, and when rounding up the race with ramjam i said exactly the same again. I don't know where you get "despicable" from. What I called was what you can see on you tube, the car coming off the grass
The only despicable act was the throwing of stuff at beatle.
I saw Beatle at Palmy and until that time i was unaware of the pit incident, if that is now proven action needs to taken against those people and they need to be dealt with.
The matter was dealt with on the night and then posts started about cheating and many things were said, the real incident was a racing reaction and many of the posts have got out of control.
As for what i said, it sometimes makes you wonder why you bother to call what you see as all too often people only hear what they want to hear and in many cases what they think they hear.
To Beatle your honesty and frankness is what makes you a great part of speedway and the fact you use a stockcars bumpers is even better,.

[nogrip-31gm]

thats absolute BS carry on that you had stones thrown at you ae..its not on.

really glad to hear your side of it beatle..

[speedaway]

Good stuff beatle, looks like it was your turn to be in the firing line, it seems to happen after most big events. People seem to forget it was peter Rees in the same position as you after the super stocks at Christchurch, some people on here were bad mouthing him after the incident with Wayne hemi.
I wonder who it will be after the super stock teams.

[MaRISSA Gough]

Hey Beatle. I too didnt post on the first thread as I wasnt there and to be honest It would have been wrong for me to comment. I have seen the clip and just like Devil Racer, I too said was that it. Hey at the end of the day (Now I can only imagine, as I dont race) you got a shunt up the jacksees and the only thing on your mind was give one back to Pete. You made a mistake, it was dealt with on the night. No need for people to start slagging you off or throw stones. If Pete is happy and has no had feelings about it why should we. It was between you and him and its over now. Im glad you posted Beatle. Look forward to seeing you race again.

[Rusty]

Jan 28, 2009 22:12:34 GMT 12 Beatle said:

Well i bet some of you are feeling like right tossers for some of the crap you've posted.I really was'nt going to respond and just let you think what you like but have changed my mind.Firstly the refs got it pretty well right and i feel the $100 fine and trailered was probably fair enough.To clarify the actual circumstances around the hit you may not realise that I had suffered a broken shock in the 2nd heat so after an average result in the first race I decided to do what i usually do when out of contention.I spent several laps attacking cars. I had seen Pete circulating so I knew he was either leading or close to it and was waiting for the chance to have a go at him.I saw him coming up the straight behind me and although i would have liked to be further into the corner I prepared for him to punt me and I was trying to set myself to retaliate,well this is exactly what happened I got punted straightened to position myself to attack and waited for a glimpse of him, as i saw him out the corner of my eye i floored it and tried to hit him in the wheel hoping to stop him.
You know when I was getting towed off the track I was feeling pretty pleased with that hit until I heard the jeers,I had no idea at that stage I had broken the rules I felt a bit stink about that.
As i told the ref I was looking for one thing after getting hit and it was'nt the pole line.I shook Pete's hand and told him I was glad he got through but only because I had inadvertanly transgressed.
As for any personal differences sorry to dissappoint but I have no axe to grind with Pete and I fully expect payback to be a real pregnant dog but when out of contention i will not crash someone who just got last but i'll try for the good drivers the one's that have had a title or look like a top chance.
As for the Scooterbuilt car theory,Scooter and I team raced down South and we get on pretty well, when the Tank got damaged at the NI's I was offered the drive so jumped at it rather than miss the NZ's again.This sort of friendship is what Speedway is all about for me.
The over reaction to the crash was even more stupid when we all saw a worse one on Sat night that had more impact on the result and barely a word spoken of it.
I also suffered the lowest point of my Speedway career when Terry Healy threw stones at me as I was being towed off the track and was yelling all sorts of rubbish and then charged to my trailer for some reason.Lucky I was called to the office i suppose.Talk to me call me a thingy to me face I can handle that but grow up because my family and friends don't need to see that sort of rubbish.I notice on Sunday at PN his two cars could'nt of seen me cause they both ran into me.Keep it on the track guys cause i'd still like to have a beer in peace after the racing is done.
Hell this has turned into a bloody novel but I hope you can relate to what I have explained,You couch racers stand out like dog goolies with your remarks on here but you guys that are or have raced are easily picked out as well.Keep it in context have another look on youtube it's not that bad.

Top man. Competitor of the year right there.

[totspete]

I hope the folk who unloaded in the initial topic don't feel the need to enter this one and grovel.
If you think Beatle needed to be condemned three days ago, have the courage to stand firm.
Otherwise, it could be worth taking a deep breath the next time one of these instances comes along (I give it ... oh, a week) and understand that there are always two sides, that first impressions can be deceiving and that lynching someone on the internet is poor form.
Look, even Beatle has accepted he was in the wrong, but there were circumstances and reasons involved.
The rabid response posted here in the past week has just made a whole lot of folk look rash ... and it would be highly hypocritical for them to change horses midstream and post in this thread.

[totspete]

I should also add that the same principle applies to the other man mentioned in this thread.
Again, we are acting as judge, jury and executioner without taking the chance to find out the whys and wherefores.
Stone throwing and abuse don't sound great but there are proper channels and, to the best of my knowledge, no one who has posted here is part of the official process.

[entonox]

I am sorry to hear about the treatment you recieved. That is definitely not on. You have always been a top driver & bloke in my book. I look forward to having a beer with you after the next meeting.

Cheers, David Anstis

[BarryB]

Jan 28, 2009 22:50:01 GMT 12 @mickeymouse said:

A comment was made, more than once I might add by the commentary team, describing it as "despicable", that would of swayed a few peoples opinion of the incident and I thought that was out of line, It should of been left to the referee's to decide how bad it was after getting your version of events before anyone else in that position commented on it in that manner, it should of just been described as a questionable hit or something, not described as a despicable act. I can't help thinking it may of been a factor in the stone throwing incident

As I was adding up points at the time at my little desk out back, so didn't even see the incident, but I never heard any of the other 3 mic men describe it as "despicable". That word was used on the Wellington website however, so feel you may be confused? I stand to be corrected however, as one of the other commentators may have used that word, but it's not normally the thing a commentator would judge on. I did hear the words "that was off the grass and that's all I'm saying on the matter" or something very close to that, but maybe more was said later when i'd gone back to my books?

UPDATE; I should have read the whole thread before responding hahaha. I see Mintie already has above, and seems my recollection of the words used were pretty close. Makes me wonder even more now if the use of the word "despicable" the earlier poster mentions, was only off the Welly website?

[The Observer]

It was certainly included in the website reveiw...interesting to see a wellington reveiwer so moved by a hit against one of wellingtons biggest threats?

Hey Beattle - I had just come up from trying to fit the replacement gearbox in the car, and saw the big hit. I was standing in Turn 2, and around my area everyone was cheering there heads off.

IN the Blue stand all the guys with the "smash the P" signs were going mental as well, so there was plenty of support for ya.

No doubt PN supporters were equally upset - at least this way we know theres a whole lot of us vs them, and them vs us, which makes the racing a hell of a lot more exciting!

Heres hoping you can get the tank back on the track in the future, or at least get another car back out there - theres a few out there that think your just starting to hit your stride!!

We need heros and villans, and as Rees shot on Joblin shows you can be one 1 week, and another the following week.

This is better that the WWF WWE! Keep up the entertainment mate.

And as noted, the referees have delt with it - onwards and upwards for all!

cheers

The Observer
p.s were still waiting for the video incident of the second one you mentioned above too...

[Deleted]

Jan 28, 2009 22:12:34 GMT 12 Beatle said:

Firstly the refs got it pretty well right and i feel the $100 fine and trailered was probably fair enough.

Thats funny, at the drivers meeting for the finalists on Saturday, the ref apologised to the drivers and said that he got it wrong.

I wont repeat what he actually said, but it was not complimentary and did say if he had his time again he would've imposed a more serious punishment.

I may be thick, but there's two things I cant understand here:

1. How could Beatle not possibly realise that he was no longer on the track. He was already right beside the poleline, and was punted inwards, up the substantial height concrete poleline and therefore no longer on the track. I've seen cars get beached, airborne etc going up or coming down off that poleline.

I've also seen hundreds of drivers at oodles of different meetings get punted infield who then yield, resisting the urge to cane the car that did it. I cant see why that didn't happen in this case?

And to a lesser extent, 2. People who agree that what happened was wrong and thinking the punishment was fair is fine, that is your opinion. But how can some people think that what happened was ok?

What you're saying is next season we could assign a hit squad of drivers to cut the grass and take select drivers out of the title, and escape with $100 fines each. Sounds good to me... I better get saving my pennies. But that aint Stockcar racing to me, its Masport racing.

[Regan O'Brien]

Looks like you will have to get over Basil it as its been done and dusted!!!!!!! It's just like the teams the refs made bad calls but we all over it.

[Ricoshea]

all history now, move on.

[The Observer]

Jan 29, 2009 10:41:24 GMT 12 @basil said:

Jan 28, 2009 22:12:34 GMT 12 Beatle said:

2. People who agree that what happened was wrong and thinking the punishment was fair is fine, that is your opinion. But how can some people think that what happened was ok?.

There were a number of other hits that cut the poleline to take drivers out on Finals night.

These received no punishment.

Were the worse than Beattles? Maybe they wern't as far infeild...but they still had more wheels on or over the poleline that on the track.

Yet, they escaped unpunished.

So since Beattle had a little more of the car on the grass, he was punished.

Not sure if that is justifying what happened, or simply identifying the onconsistancies that have occured?

Or is it that one got away with using the infeild, and one didn't...or one was more on the infeild, and the other had an "acceptable" amount of car on the infeild....

Surely it wasn;t the letter on car who was being attacked both times, as in both instances it was 11p.

Maybe it was for some other reason?