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Post by sonic33 on Apr 21, 2009 22:22:41 GMT 12
Crazy stuff.
Surely both can survive at the same time. (with sum co-operation) DHL series has been the same dates for 5 odd years. If a promoter was concerned about more than himself he would see the benefit of both.
Why can't Willie run the sprintcar GP on that night to grab the holiday crowd. He is treating it as a meeting he doesn't want to run.
It is the same as running the sprintcar GP on the same night as the big dollar sprintcar meet at WS. BP only got 18 cars to run the GP when WS weren't running the following weekend. That impacted on the rest of the season as WS sprinters didn't visit BP from that meet on. There could have been over 40 cars at that meet. Spectators loose .
As for SPNZ they should also foster the sport. A series that has been sucessfully established and supported should be able to co-exist with a national title.
Yes, BOPWAIKATO Steve did win the the SUPER champs after the DHL series, but not after 6 rounds in the same car.
And to Nev think of the big speedway picture. What would happen if Huntly ran the NZ super saloon champs at the same time the recent SSCAR series was to be run?
Series and NZ Titles can exist together if promoters a and SPNZ allow it to happen.
Also for what it is worth BP should allow up to 10 visitors per meet to get a feel of the track a couple of months out from the champs.
Whats more in times when some are suggesting that some classes we have should be running as as series to determine the national champ we have a class that can run a series and a NZ title.
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Post by eddiek on Apr 21, 2009 22:30:16 GMT 12
Well it's short sighted to say the very least. And not the first time Willie Kay's tried to scuttle other tracks major meetings either, I'm sure many will recall the BS that Kay pulled to basically overrule the contractual obligations many M reg'd drivers had when the Saloon NI's got rained off from Huntly last year and it had to be rerun.
It's little wonder that there is an annual pilgrimage of saloons from Baypark to Rotorua, Waikaraka and Huntly during the offseason.
If SNZ had any nuts, they'd overrule this decision in the interests of the sport and class in general.
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Post by bikeboy on Apr 21, 2009 22:37:58 GMT 12
i have never been invited to the DHL series so i do not have any links to it, I can not beleive that the NZ saloon champs have been put on this date, it is well known this series goes on, with the 16 cars invited being a huge part of the class, why would you try to break up this series which has done alot of the Saloon class,
this is bullnuts, the fact the board let Willie play these stupid games with the class is pretty bad as well.
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Apr 21, 2009 22:44:04 GMT 12
... So Murray - what you are saying here is that YOU dont believe that the "Saloon" class should have a national title?...... Submit your letter if intent to SNZ so they can have the final say - somehow I dont think it would happen Maybe SNZ should drop the title in favour of the DHL series - yup sounds good - Do away with the National-regional class!!! Sdemon You've lost me with your posting Sdemon ... I've re-read my post and can't find anything that suggests or implies I would drop the saloon title, only that I would rethink the date. To clash with an annual major event at Rotorua (50 minutes away) just doesn't make sense if you can avoid it.
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Post by sonic33 on Apr 21, 2009 22:45:52 GMT 12
Xlent bikeboy.
Saloon car competitor, not doing DHL, not registered to BP, not allowed to run b4 the champs.
How does this work?
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Post by sonic33 on Apr 21, 2009 22:56:53 GMT 12
Agree Murray. Not sure where Sdemon is coming from. Murray you must be one of the most pro saloon campaingers out there.
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Apr 21, 2009 23:09:32 GMT 12
You Saloon drivers are going to have to band together and sort this out , bycott the NZs as you dont get to race there. If they do clash I will be at the January 1st Rotorua DHL. This Baypark is upseting a lot of people when the place first opened i never missed a meeting for 4 years now im down to only 8 meetings there this season. The track is lacking classes and lacking visiting drivers, it like eating the same thing for dinner every night.
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Post by sonic33 on Apr 21, 2009 23:46:13 GMT 12
Saloon drivers shouldn't have to be the ones to make the stand. SPNZ and promoters should run the sport in conjunction to the drivers and make it work for the better of the sport.
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Post by Aaron Drever on Apr 21, 2009 23:55:19 GMT 12
I personally think the title should be run when the SPORT is going to get the most EXPOSURE...... its like saying that a NRL game can't be played at Mount Smart cause there is a Bartercard Cup (NZ Comp) game being played at North Harbour Stadium.
If Bayparks BIG crowds are over CHRISTMAS then run the Title then.
Think about the sport...... Why can't the DHL run its 7 shows and perhaps add a Kihikihi show so it runs during the day? over the holiday period?
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Post by sonic33 on Apr 22, 2009 0:49:13 GMT 12
The SPORT will get the most exposure when all work together. Leave DHL as is and schedule the NZ title elsewhere. One great series and one average championship, run under an american format will mean all miss out If it stays as is I will prob be somewhere else. Is it that hard to comprahend? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by BarryB on Apr 22, 2009 6:52:03 GMT 12
I personally think the title should be run when the SPORT is going to get the most EXPOSURE...... its like saying that a NRL game can't be played at Mount Smart cause there is a Bartercard Cup (NZ Comp) game being played at North Harbour Stadium. If Bayparks BIG crowds are over CHRISTMAS then run the Title then. Think about the sport...... Why can't the DHL run its 7 shows and perhaps add a Kihikihi show so it runs during the day? over the holiday period? For a start the same bunch of players would not be trying to play in both games Aaron (although some might dream of it), and by and large the same fans would not be craving to spectate at both venues should your scenario arise. It's a shame as the DHL Series has been pretty much the same tracks and dates for a number of years now, although whether all SNZ members were aware of this when the Jan 1/2 dates were ratified is debatable. If it was the first time WK/BP had pulled such a stunt the outcry might not be quite as bad either, but this is hardly an isolated incident. I'm still hopeful a compromise can be reached......
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Post by Dirt_Fan on Apr 22, 2009 7:13:27 GMT 12
Another idea, would snz accept a petition signed by all drivers concerned, willie kay may not listen to the driver or spectators but he has to listen to snz.
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Post by tank11 on Apr 22, 2009 8:22:39 GMT 12
Does he? ??
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Post by bluntslider on Apr 22, 2009 8:30:11 GMT 12
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Post by Rossco on Apr 22, 2009 8:40:52 GMT 12
The comments by Murray about Steve and Kirsty Williams getting disillusioned with Speedway and pulling the pin would be disasterous ,the comment about more things achieved if everyone works together is exactly right, when speedweek first started it was a low key, relatively unknown event and the series had to do a lot of back tracking and big traveling , due to everyone working together it has now become a loop of convenient tracks all helping each other and Speedway, this happened due to Steve and Kirsty putting in a huge amount of effort . I realise it is not open to everyone but honestly not everyone could do it ,it is a big ask of cars and crews and overdrafts it has a cost and I would suggest that it would be harder to win than any one night event.Every dog has his day not many get a week . I am not saying it is more or less important than our beloved SNZ title but I am saying it is sad that people involved are being forced to choose , how often does someone force another to choose and they themselves lose .Any way I am greedy and I would like $$$$$$$ permitting to do both . I like doing Speedweek and I am pretty sure I will enjoy racing at Bay Park, I always have .But it has been so long , do they still go anti clockwise . Cheers 77k
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Post by Super Saloon 11m on Apr 22, 2009 8:48:08 GMT 12
I have some suggestions for the saloon drivers that think a New Zealand title is not important to their class and that it does not take priority to all else. Also that winning is not everything and a NZ number is not important....
1 – Drill a 150-mm diameter hole in your door panel. 2 – Buy a pair of knee high white socks. 3 – buy a size 88 pair of long shorts (White) and a pair of scissors. 4 – Order 2 pallets of 150-mm x 100-mm bricks from Mitre 10. 5 – Sell your Race boots. 6 – Purchase a packet of wet wipes.
Now prepare your car by first drilling a pilot hole of 5-mm through your door panel, followed by a larger 150-mm diameter hole 4 inches from the top of your panel (The reason will become apparent later).
Next slide on your knee high white socks, then refer number 5, by this time your race boots will be sold and you can slide on your new Warehouse sandals, just completes the look so other competitors don’t mistake you for a race driver, more of a race friend of all living things, especially those pretty white butterflies.
3 – The long shorts should be already prepared before you reach the DHL series by cutting a 50- to 75-mm hole in the rear of the pants, this size will depend on the size of your lips.
4 – Time for the bricks to arrive, these will be used to build the bridge that you will need to get over it.
Now that hole drilled in the door, this will be utilized for reaching your arm through during warm up laps so you can hold hands with the other drivers, this will be done while all competitors and spectators sign “We are the world”. This will naturally bring a tear to the eyes of the drivers, hence the need for number 6, nothing more uncomfortable than a wet helmet while racing.
To sum up, this is why Saloons never should have been allocated a National Title.
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Post by BarryB on Apr 22, 2009 9:23:18 GMT 12
Whilst very funny Neville, I think most people are just suggesting a little common sense prevailing is all that is required here, so both fans and competitors win.
The DHL series is over 7 nights, the NZ's 2. The racing season is over 200 nights long, so without making this about tree-huggers, WK, BP, SNZ or Steve and Kirsty Williams, there is obviously plenty of room to fit in the 9 nights required for both events, without a clash.
Also, your instructions may be a little confusing at they combine both metric (150mm) and imperial (4 inches) measurements, and some may struggle to comprehend. Perhaps you should add a dual tape measure to your list of requirements, and this probably could be purchased from the warehouse while picking up the sandals.
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Post by redbaron on Apr 22, 2009 9:44:27 GMT 12
my opinion is the promotors of baypark shaft all classes look at the way superstocks were treated
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Post by Super Saloon 11m on Apr 22, 2009 10:12:23 GMT 12
Also, your instructions may be a little confusing at they combine both metric (150mm) and imperial (4 inches) measurements, and some may struggle to comprehend. Perhaps you should add a dual tape measure to your list of requirements, and this probably could be purchased from the warehouse while picking up the sandals. Sorry Barry forgot the mention, the tape used for the hole size was a UAT (Unisex Appendage Tape), used by both Men and Women for measuring Mens appendage's, the women's side is Metric, the mens Imperial. I still believe the Nationals come first and that Bay Park have offered up a prime night for the final night to the Saloon's. Just make some changes to the DHL simple.
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Post by fi63 on Apr 22, 2009 11:34:00 GMT 12
I agree with Lou/ Bryan and Phil - if the DHL was to go ahead as per normal we would definately choose that above the NZ Champs at Baypark. We never attended the Grand Prix because of the fact that we have not been given the opportunity to race there prior to the event. Is the same going to apply next season, no one bar BAYPARK registered cars able to race there prior to a NZ Championship ?
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