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Post by m8sr8z on Feb 11, 2014 11:42:09 GMT 12
FFS stop thinking with a selfish mind and consider for one moment the majority who do not attend speedway every weekend!!  ? MATE how about u stop being selfish and let these drivers and teams run TEAM numbers for a couple of bloody times a year. It's only a couple of times. Selfish on both sides you think? If I go to watch teams racing and let's say Wellington, I'm not there to watch one driver in the Wellington side, I'm there to watch the team. If one person wants to go watch Malcolm N from Chch race at a teams event and only Mal, they need to find out which number he is. Program or listen to the people on the mic and they can continue knowing that one drivers number change. One, i am not ya mate!! secondly if we all thought like you, nothing would go anywhere! so i guess in your little world all is great!! but to be honest i would rather see teams racing grow to be more than just once or twice a year and with good sponsorship behind each team. But i guess looking into the future for some is just an alien concept?? and before you say i am dreaming!! everything has to start somewhere....... i guess we could just close racing off to the public?? i wonder how many issues that idea would solve?? leave you with a quote from Sir Richard Branson........ "to grow big you must think small and pay attention to detail" but hey......what would he know??? Yea I used mate because it's nicer than some other names I was thinking. |
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Post by mal on Feb 11, 2014 11:49:54 GMT 12
Fantastic call B Robertson, and I like the idea of the name above or below the side window too.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2014 12:33:09 GMT 12
All of these ideas were put forward at Conference a few years back but either soundly defeated or withdrawn and never discussed. The members, largely stuck in the 1970's I suspect, did not care what the spectators of this millennium think. It may take one promoter setting local rules for teams competitions to start things off, that will then flow on to normal competition vehicles as well.
Barry B
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Post by m8sr8z on Feb 11, 2014 12:53:08 GMT 12
So what's everyone's thoughts on register of team body colours so there is no direct clashes. (If it was ever to happen)
What colour would the teams be? Same as rugby?
Auckland - Blue
Waikato - red yellow black
Baypark -
Rotorua -
Hawkesbay - black white
Statford - yellow
Palmerston -
Mustangs - green
Wellington - yellow black
Nelson - orange (because they are tigers)
Chch - red black
If baypark was to run blue/yellow there would start to be afew teams having to run yellow.
Your ideas?
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Post by busterbell on Feb 11, 2014 13:06:13 GMT 12
panthers in pink.....yes i like that idea  |
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Post by penman on Feb 11, 2014 13:16:11 GMT 12
So what's everyone's thoughts on register of team body colours so there is no direct clashes. (If it was ever to happen) What colour would the teams be? Same as rugby? Auckland - Blue Waikato - red yellow black Baypark - Rotorua - Hawkesbay - black white Statford - yellow Palmerston - Mustangs - green Wellington - yellow black Nelson - orange (because they are tigers) Chch - red black If baypark was to run blue/yellow there would start to be afew teams having to run yellow. Your ideas? From a spectator POV, I can see the benefit but, from a business POV, creating dedicated colours for each team could potentially restrict the opportunity for major team sponsors. The Baypark team have traditionlly (in the past) run the sponsor colours of Todd & Pollock, who were their major sponsor. The Eagles - in the past couple of years - have changed their schemes, possibly to tie in with sponsors. However, if you were the Waikato team, for example, and had the opportunity to secure (as an example) Fonterra as a major backer, but they wanted to have the cars appearing in their company colours (white with blue and green highlights), you'd be screwed. There has to be a little bit of forward thinking here - this is a sport that is constantly claiming it's becoming more professional, requires more funding and a higher level of coverage. By creating too many pinch points along that path, you could effectively be stifling some growth. The fact we have teams all in the same coloured bodies is, in itself, considerably more professional than the notch-potch of bodies and colours that appeared not all that many years ago. Actually, maybe it IS all that many years ago, and they're just passing too quickly for me now. |
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Post by teamkaos on Feb 11, 2014 13:18:34 GMT 12
Wouldnt make the slightest bit of difference to me, still wouldnt know who is who even if they ran their normal race numbers, and I think most casual Stockcar fans would be in the same boat.
The biggest problem I found was the commentators refering to the cars by the drivers name, so I had no idea which car they were actually talking about anyway. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2014 13:24:31 GMT 12
So what's everyone's thoughts on register of team body colours so there is no direct clashes. You can't strictly dictate colours to the teams IMHO, as there has to be room for sponsored-teams colours. But, with a register, if a team wanted to come in all red, and there's already another red team, it would be dictated that 50% of the cars has to be white or something to that effect. All you'd need is a plan view, front view, rear view and both side views of the car, coloured in with what the team intends to run. The judge's decision is final. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B |
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Post by penman on Feb 11, 2014 13:27:22 GMT 12
So what's everyone's thoughts on register of team body colours so there is no direct clashes. You can't strictly dictate colours to the teams IMHO, as there has to be room for sponsored-teams colours. But, with a register, if a team wanted to come in all red, and there's already another red team, it would be dictated that 50% of the cars has to be white or something to that effect. All you'd need is a plan view, front view, rear view and both side views of the car, coloured in with what the team intends to run. The judge's decision is final. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B Very well Barry. Point clearly made. I do like the last piece of your post though - "the judge's decision is final." I wonder if that could be referred past to the opening post of a separate thread in this team's topic. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2014 13:31:51 GMT 12
Well it has to be somebody's final decision, and if it's the promoter's rule the promoter would have the final say I guess. I'd suggest once a colour scheme is accepted and registered, that's theirs in perpetuity or until said team decides on a change.
I seem to recall one year we had no yellow teams, 12 months later two teams turned up in identical yellow. It's easily avoided.
Regional colours would be neat, but I don't think we can close the door on any sponsors that may want to put the $$$ up.
Barry B
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Post by penman on Feb 11, 2014 13:34:17 GMT 12
Well it has to be somebody's final decision, and if it's the promoter's rule the promoter would have the final say. I'd suggest once a colour scheme is accepted and registered, that's theirs in perpetuity or until said teams decides on a change. I seem to recall one year we had no yellow teams, 12 months later two teams turned up in identical yellow. It's easily avoided. Regional colours would be neat, but I don't think we can close the door on any sponsors that may want to put the $$$ up. Barry B That's totally uncalled for Barry Why would anyone want yellow in their colour scheme?  |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2014 13:43:33 GMT 12
They would match your Avatar..........
Barry B
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2014 13:44:36 GMT 12
Well it has to be somebody's final decision, and if it's the promoter's rule the promoter would have the final say I guess. I'd suggest once a colour scheme is accepted and registered, that's theirs in perpetuity or until said team decides on a change. Regional colours would be neat, but I don't think we can close the door on any sponsors that may want to put the $$$ up. Barry B Yep , that's my way of thinking too. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2014 14:01:13 GMT 12
Maybe I'll put a proposal to Bruce for 2015.......
Barry B
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2014 14:04:43 GMT 12
Back to the numbers thing , and a bit of an about face.
I could actually live with the team numbers if they were controlled in order to eliminate the confusing range that some teams are using.
I mean the 388,838,883,383 etc. style of thing.
Sequential numbers in clearly contrasting colours would be ok, still second to a driver's proper race numbers but acceptable in my book.
The most compelling reason for Teams numbers I've heard is the fact the sign writing can be maintained no matter who is driving.
What we have no is way too frustrating for fans, commentators and officials. It simply isn't good enough and it needs fixing.
I struggle to figure them out every time , add to that the people around me asking "who's driving that?" or " what car is is Bob driving "
Yes you can look them up in the program but sometimes that's not correct and by the time the research has been done the race is over or you've missed the big incident. I've left many a teams meeting not knowing who was driving what.
Yes teams racing is about the 'Team' but every team has it's stars and the fans want to who he is and what he's driving. Same as any sport I can think of.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2014 14:29:19 GMT 12
I think, with a bit of work and good faith, the numbers are workable too;
Team 1; 01, 02, 03, 04, 05
Team 2; 11, 12, 13, 14, 15
Team 3; 21, 22, 23, 24, 25
Team 4; 31, 32, 33, 34, 35
Team 5; 41, 42, 43, 44, 45
Team 6; 51, 52, 53, 54, 55
Team 7; 61, 62, 63, 64, 65
Team 8; 71, 72, 73, 74, 75
Team 9; 81, 82, 83, 84, 85
Team 10; 91, 92, 93, 94, 95
Team 11; 16, 26, 36, 46, 56
Team 12; 17, 27, 37, 47, 57
Team 13; 18, 28, 38, 48, 58
Team 14; 19, 29, 39, 49, 59
Barry B
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2014 14:34:33 GMT 12
I think, with a bit of work and good faith, the numbers are workable too; Team 1; 01, 02, 03, 04, 05 Team 2; 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 Team 3; 21, 22, 23, 24, 25 Team 4; 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 Team 5; 41, 42, 43, 44, 45 Team 6; 51, 52, 53, 54, 55 Team 7; 61, 62, 63, 64, 65 Team 8; 71, 72, 73, 74, 75 Team 9; 81, 82, 83, 84, 85 Team 10; 91, 92, 93, 94, 95 Team 11; 16, 26, 36, 46, 56 Team 12; 17, 27, 37, 47, 57 Team 13; 18, 28, 38, 48, 58 Team 14; 19, 29, 39, 49, 59 Barry B Cool , teams should be allowed to choose a set of numbers , first in first served. The icing would be to get the driver's name on an attached crowd side plate. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2014 14:47:16 GMT 12
I think, with a bit of work and good faith, the numbers are workable too; Team 1; 01, 02, 03, 04, 05 Team 2; 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 Team 3; 21, 22, 23, 24, 25 Team 4; 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 Team 5; 41, 42, 43, 44, 45 Team 6; 51, 52, 53, 54, 55 Team 7; 61, 62, 63, 64, 65 Team 8; 71, 72, 73, 74, 75 Team 9; 81, 82, 83, 84, 85 Team 10; 91, 92, 93, 94, 95 Team 11; 16, 26, 36, 46, 56 Team 12; 17, 27, 37, 47, 57 Team 13; 18, 28, 38, 48, 58 Team 14; 19, 29, 39, 49, 59 Barry B Cool , teams should be allowed to choose a set of numbers , first in first served. The icing would be to get the driver's name on an attached crowd side plate. Done  Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 11, 2014 15:38:14 GMT 12
2015 Teams Champs; Joblin, Joblin, Joblin, Rees, Rees, Rees, Miers and Miers. Even a first name initial doesn't work in the case of Simon and Scott!! I do like the idea of having the name on the car though, and have done ever since I went to England in 1989!! Barry B Bloody border control let you back in? ? |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2014 15:44:38 GMT 12
Was easier then.........now I can't even get out haha
Barry B
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