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Post by ateamboy on Feb 11, 2014 16:29:18 GMT 12
Can c the argument both ways ive been going to palmy teams for the last 10 years and probably only kno 50 percent of the regular attending drivers at 1st glance an its usually due to the distinctive shape of the car or chassis rather than the number for example its nearly impossible to tell the difference between the rotorua top gear cars or wellington cars last year but thats just become part of the package over years an it doesnt take away any of the specticle dus it? If uv got a favourite driver in a team u shud kno wat number thyr going to have?
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2014 16:42:17 GMT 12
Can c the argument both ways ive been going to palmy teams for the last 10 years and probably only kno 50 percent of the regular attending drivers at 1st glance an its usually due to the distinctive shape of the car or chassis rather than the number for example its nearly impossible to tell the difference between the rotorua top gear cars or wellington cars last year but thats just become part of the package over years an it doesnt take away any of the specticle dus it? If uv got a favourite driver in a team u shud kno wat number thyr going to have? Once again, refer to my earlier argument. We have a great spectacle here with a fantastic atmosphere, but we must ensure that it will appeal to new fans as well as "speedway freaks". It has to be able to be relatively easily understood by first timers, those that don't have a favourite team or know the shape or number of any car or driver. Who knows if anybody like Sky might one day get interested in screening it? Likely not, Sommet Sports perhaps, but surely there's no reason why we can't be doing things NOW to make the event easier to understand and possibly appeal to a broader fan base? I think it's called "future proffing" the event. Barry B |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 16:46:28 GMT 12
There is also another quote "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" There are far bigger and more pressing concerns, this seems trivial, and does not really warrant changing in order to appease a very small minority. Minority ?. Can you qualify that statement with any fact? . Pressing concerns?. Perhaps you mean smoke screens? I guess I could provide about as much a qualifying arguement based on facts that the "change" the numbers are a minority than you could argue that are a "majority" But just reading through the posts in this thread so far it appears roughly that those in favour of keeping the current system as opposed to going to indivdual racing numbers is about two to one....some seem hard to judge. I cant remember on any occassion being at speedway when a teams race in the Superstock class was on and having anybody raise the idea of going to individual numbers because it was hard to work out who was in the car. During stockcar races however, I have been told that some teams are very hard to follow ie Rotorua and Auckland, that I agree with, but Ive never felt the need to change Superstock Teams numbering system its relatively easy, and if you follow social media including this board most drivers and their numbers can be found on this very board with relative ease. Change the stockcar teams numbering system for sure, but dont mess with the Superstock class which does not have the issue that is trying to be addressed. And yes "pressing issues" track surfaces for championship meetings, spectator safety etc just two I cant think of straight away that are more important than changing numbers in one class for two events of the year that dont have the problems being put forward as a reason to change Superstock teams racing numbers if anything is providing a smokescreen its this when the stockcar racing numbers should be tweaked. |
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Post by ateamboy on Feb 11, 2014 18:01:23 GMT 12
[/quote]Once again, refer to my earlier argument. We have a great spectacle here with a fantastic atmosphere, but we must ensure that it will appeal to new fans as well as "speedway freaks". It has to be able to be relatively easily understood by first timers, those that don't have a favourite team or know the shape or number of any car or driver. Who knows if anybody like Sky might one day get interested in screening it? Likely not, Sommet Sports perhaps, but surely there's no reason why we can't be doing things NOW to make the event easier to understand and possibly appeal to a broader fan base? I think it's called "future proffing" the event.
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I think if ur a 1st timer watching superstock teams racing having a uniformed team ie team colours an sequenced numbers is the best look for "tv" audience having a number 118 135 10 23 in 1 team would be more confusing for first timers to understand plus they would have the nievity of not knowing origional numbers neway
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Post by supastocknut on Feb 11, 2014 18:13:40 GMT 12
Minority ?. Can you qualify that statement with any fact? . Pressing concerns?. Perhaps you mean smoke screens? I guess I could provide about as much a qualifying arguement based on facts that the "change" the numbers are a minority than you could argue that are a "majority" But just reading through the posts in this thread so far it appears roughly that those in favour of keeping the current system as opposed to going to indivdual racing numbers is about two to one....some seem hard to judge. I cant remember on any occassion being at speedway when a teams race in the Superstock class was on and having anybody raise the idea of going to individual numbers because it was hard to work out who was in the car. During stockcar races however, I have been told that some teams are very hard to follow ie Rotorua and Auckland, that I agree with, but Ive never felt the need to change Superstock Teams numbering system its relatively easy, and if you follow social media including this board most drivers and their numbers can be found on this very board with relative ease. Change the stockcar teams numbering system for sure, but dont mess with the Superstock class which does not have the issue that is trying to be addressed. And yes "pressing issues" track surfaces for championship meetings, spectator safety etc just two I cant think of straight away that are more important than changing numbers in one class for two events of the year that dont have the problems being put forward as a reason to change Superstock teams racing numbers if anything is providing a smokescreen its this when the stockcar racing numbers should be tweaked. unless you get all 15000 plus fans that attended the teams champs giving an opinion on this any conclusion on this thread is BS as most on this board are hard core fans!! bit like asking a pro national government thread " should John Key be re-elected as PM??" yup that would get an accurate answer!! |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2014 18:15:18 GMT 12
I'm talking more about colours (every team easily identifiable from each other) and other such things than numbers (although at the moment we have teams running the same numbers - not good)........I actually quite like the sequential numbers in Superstock Teams (have even posted a way of doing 14 teams) but the Stockcar Teams are another story. A complete turn off........
Barry B
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Post by rebelnvodka on Feb 11, 2014 18:18:01 GMT 12
Who's to stop a team of drivers registering to their local track as 41,42,43,44,45..?
Back to the drawing board haha
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2014 18:22:40 GMT 12
Who's to stop a team of drivers registering to their local track as 41,42,43,44,45..? Back to the drawing board haha That's not back to the drawing board......that would be a solution......if nobody ever got injured or pulled out of the team due to an engine blow up, injury or 101 other personal reasons  Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B |
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Post by Graeme Mead on Feb 11, 2014 20:54:41 GMT 12
and for my bit, if we have numbers that are recognisable and easy to read this may well also help the referees identify the correct car, rather than a potential guess. They paying public also deserve to see and understand who is in what car, as a commentator we have a heck of a time trying to recognise and offer to the public what car is where at times. KISS is the word, keep it simple stupid and well done Bruce for a great idea...........
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Post by Ben Biggs on Feb 11, 2014 22:48:21 GMT 12
So did anyone else notice when the AllStars and Panthers raced both teams were numbered 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and both teams had #5 on the in-field?
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Post by BarryB on Feb 12, 2014 5:55:05 GMT 12
When the Panthers (team numbers) and the Mustangs (normal numbers) raced each other a few years ago, you had two 9p's in the same race on the track and on the ELS. Even led to a wrong race result being posted on the super-accurate P/N website!!
Barry B
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Post by mordecai on Feb 12, 2014 7:29:59 GMT 12
When the Panthers (team numbers) and the Mustangs (normal numbers) raced each other a few years ago, you had two 9p's in the same race on the track and on the ELS. Even led to a wrong race result being posted on the super-accurate P/N website!! Barry B didn't we have 2 number 5s in the wildcats v pnthers race this year |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 12, 2014 7:34:27 GMT 12
But it would have been a 5w and a 5p..........the race I'm talking about had two cars with 9p on the door
Barry B
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Post by mordecai on Feb 12, 2014 8:11:54 GMT 12
But it would have been a 5w and a 5p..........the race I'm talking about had two cars with 9p on the door Barry B ok but that wont happen with the new rule that ya use your race number no more team numbers |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 12, 2014 8:15:05 GMT 12
Two 9p's won't.....but there'll still be number clashes until we develop a national register. But that's another story......
Barry B
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Post by mordecai on Feb 12, 2014 8:33:11 GMT 12
Two 9p's won't.....but there'll still be number clashes until we develop a national register. But that's another story...... Barry B im very happy to see the number change myself |
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Post by ricardo63 on Feb 12, 2014 8:39:41 GMT 12
Hi all. I think that there is an easier way forward to apes all parties. I have watched some videos twice now from the weekend and still think I'm watching Rotorua when in fact it was Nelson, but I digress...... you cannot be serious!!   Hi busterball. Right I have gotten to the bottom of my own misery on this one. It’s taken a while as there isn't much light down here at the bottom of this hole..... The video I was watching, which is also the only one I had seen up to that point was 1.55 long on YouTube. 1.19 into it is what’s confused me so much. I couldn't work out why the busters were racing the rebels. This of course was the tigers. So not only did I interpret the video wrong, I also managed to type the wrong teams in again. Less beer more concentration I'm afraid........ |
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Post by ricardo63 on Feb 12, 2014 8:41:47 GMT 12
Who knows if anybody like Sky might one day get interested in screening it? Likely not, Sommet Sports perhaps, but surely there's no reason why we can't be doing things NOW to make the event easier to understand and possibly appeal to a broader fan base? I think it's called "future proffing" the event. Barry B Stop copying my TV talk Barry B. It may catch on...... |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 12, 2014 8:42:36 GMT 12
I don't mind the number change thing mordecai......but I do think teams probably have better things to do with just 3 weekends off between the two big Teams Meetings than worry about a number change. For a start that means they need to confirm every member of their squad before changing the numbers, and as we see with P/N every year that's easier said than done. There were driver changes during the final 24 hours before racing this year...
Barry B
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Post by mordecai on Feb 12, 2014 8:44:28 GMT 12
yes there is a down side to everything I spose but the overall outcome shld be for the greater good
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