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Post by mudman on Mar 23, 2023 13:18:13 GMT 12
they got it right then. More time is required i guess, but it hasnt passed notice that of all the stockcar drivers and owners on this board there are what? half a dozen of us or a couple more having this convo...so still not much interest for or against. Maybe a poll on here might shed more light? I hate to say it but I think that speaks more to the relevance of Macgors to the speedway community rather than the distain towards these tyres. Every driver I’ve talked to has been unhappy about it but don’t want to be left behind so are looking to grab a pair. I’ve encouraged them to speak up to snz about their feelings about the tyre but have been burnt with rule changes by snz before they feel speaking up is a waste of breath snz will do what they like.
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Post by tonyr on Mar 23, 2023 13:50:08 GMT 12
they got it right then. More time is required i guess, but it hasnt passed notice that of all the stockcar drivers and owners on this board there are what? half a dozen of us or a couple more having this convo...so still not much interest for or against. Maybe a poll on here might shed more light? I hate to say it but I think that speaks more to the relevance of Macgors to the speedway community rather than the distain towards these tyres. Every driver I’ve talked to has been unhappy about it but don’t want to be left behind so are looking to grab a pair. I’ve encouraged them to speak up to snz about their feelings about the tyre but have been burnt with rule changes by snz before they feel speaking up is a waste of breath snz will do what they like. Well if wasting one’s breath was the only down side so be it but the real downside is by staying silent you have zero chance of affecting change. It’s like people who don’t vote and then moan about the government. If enough drivers give a consistent message to SNZ there is at least a chance of change.
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Post by mudman on Mar 23, 2023 14:03:57 GMT 12
I hate to say it but I think that speaks more to the relevance of Macgors to the speedway community rather than the distain towards these tyres. Every driver I’ve talked to has been unhappy about it but don’t want to be left behind so are looking to grab a pair. I’ve encouraged them to speak up to snz about their feelings about the tyre but have been burnt with rule changes by snz before they feel speaking up is a waste of breath snz will do what they like. Well if wasting one’s breath was the only down side so be it but the real downside is by staying silent you have zero chance of affecting change. It’s like people who don’t vote and then moan about the government. If enough drivers give a consistent message to SNZ there is at least a chance of change. I wholeheartedly agree with you. Which is why im telling anyone that will listen to speak up.
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Post by hienekenno1 on Mar 23, 2023 14:04:32 GMT 12
The ban is only the NZ GP,drivers can use them after that.
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Post by graemeh on Mar 23, 2023 14:15:24 GMT 12
I hate to say it but I think that speaks more to the relevance of Macgors to the speedway community rather than the distain towards these tyres. Every driver I’ve talked to has been unhappy about it but don’t want to be left behind so are looking to grab a pair. I’ve encouraged them to speak up to snz about their feelings about the tyre but have been burnt with rule changes by snz before they feel speaking up is a waste of breath snz will do what they like. Well if wasting one’s breath was the only down side so be it but the real downside is by staying silent you have zero chance of affecting change. It’s like people who don’t vote and then moan about the government. If enough drivers give a consistent message to SNZ there is at least a chance of change. Someone needs to take the initiative this weekend and at Drivers briefing at Kihikihi call for a show of hands for or against the new tyre. It quite simply is against the spirit of Stockcar rules as they are written currently and any trial should be ceased immediately. In my opinion its only been suggested to use up some unwanted tyres. Driver apathy has allowed a number of stupid rules to get passed but a simple yes/no vote by 130 odd competitors should send SNZ a message.
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Post by dandittmer on Mar 23, 2023 18:06:37 GMT 12
Well if wasting one’s breath was the only down side so be it but the real downside is by staying silent you have zero chance of affecting change. It’s like people who don’t vote and then moan about the government. If enough drivers give a consistent message to SNZ there is at least a chance of change. Someone needs to take the initiative this weekend and at Drivers briefing at Kihikihi call for a show of hands for or against the new tyre. It quite simply is against the spirit of Stockcar rules as they are written currently and any trial should be ceased immediately. In my opinion its only been suggested to use up some unwanted tyres. Driver apathy has allowed a number of stupid rules to get passed but a simple yes/no vote by 130 odd competitors should send SNZ a message. . Will that change anything? I know it’s better than saying nothing but I don’t think snz will change it, was there a vote when hi rise came in?
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Post by graemeh on Mar 23, 2023 19:02:12 GMT 12
Someone needs to take the initiative this weekend and at Drivers briefing at Kihikihi call for a show of hands for or against the new tyre. It quite simply is against the spirit of Stockcar rules as they are written currently and any trial should be ceased immediately. In my opinion its only been suggested to use up some unwanted tyres. Driver apathy has allowed a number of stupid rules to get passed but a simple yes/no vote by 130 odd competitors should send SNZ a message. . Will that change anything? I know it’s better than saying nothing but I don’t think snz will change it, was there a vote when hi rise came in? May not change the trial but if history repeats itself and it goes through the current remit process and only a few bother to respond then its likely to be passed.
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Post by stikshift87 on Mar 23, 2023 22:14:42 GMT 12
Well if wasting one’s breath was the only down side so be it but the real downside is by staying silent you have zero chance of affecting change. It’s like people who don’t vote and then moan about the government. If enough drivers give a consistent message to SNZ there is at least a chance of change. Someone needs to take the initiative this weekend and at Drivers briefing at Kihikihi call for a show of hands for or against the new tyre. It quite simply is against the spirit of Stockcar rules as they are written currently and any trial should be ceased immediately. In my opinion its only been suggested to use up some unwanted tyres. Driver apathy has allowed a number of stupid rules to get passed but a simple yes/no vote by 130 odd competitors should send SNZ a message. Spot on Graeme. Of relatively recent times we've had the highrise(more engine performance and cost), then Injection (same result as highrise but even more cost as it was not regulated appropriately), somewhere in there is yet another variance in the intake manifold selection (purportedly more power) and last but not least a tyre rule change which could maximise the benefit of all the power increases. I don't know enough about these new tyres yet but talking to a highly respected member of the NZ drag racing community today these tyres could give more performance gains for reasons that are probably not known to many as they weren't to myself. Once again at further cost. The cost of keeping up is definitely getting beyond the means for quite a few of us. Definitely not in the spirit of the class.
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Post by my2cents on Mar 23, 2023 23:58:15 GMT 12
The superstock tyre is not aloud to be used at the NZ Stockcar GP this weekend. So I presume that SNZ have decided this as it may/will give some competitors an unfair advantage? And not putting an Asterix next to the winners name i.e John Smith wins the GP but was running special tyres. Good idea But what about local club championships they guys that can afford these new tyres will have an unfair advantage over the ones that can't afford them, so will their names have an Asterix next to it?
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Post by percy on Mar 24, 2023 8:24:46 GMT 12
The superstock tyre is not aloud to be used at the NZ Stockcar GP this weekend. So I presume that SNZ have decided this as it may/will give some competitors an unfair advantage? And not putting an Asterix next to the winners name i.e John Smith wins the GP but was running special tyres. Good idea But what about local club championships they guys that can afford these new tyres will have an unfair advantage over the ones that can't afford them, so will their names have an Asterix next to it? As long as I can remember, trial components have not been permitted in allocated titles
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Post by Roxcyford on Mar 24, 2023 8:45:24 GMT 12
So I presume that SNZ have decided this as it may/will give some competitors an unfair advantage? And not putting an Asterix next to the winners name i.e John Smith wins the GP but was running special tyres. Good idea But what about local club championships they guys that can afford these new tyres will have an unfair advantage over the ones that can't afford them, so will their names have an Asterix next to it? As long as I can remember, trial components have not been permitted in allocated titles A driver who usually runs about middle pack used them in the New Plymouth championship last Saturday nite and ran 3rd, so they are using them in local championships .
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Post by percy on Mar 24, 2023 9:25:13 GMT 12
Local championships are not allocated titles......
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Post by grindingdisc on Apr 21, 2023 10:23:49 GMT 12
With the season coming to a close along with the trial of the superstock tyre in the stockcar class, one would assume that because the tyre rule hasnt come up for drivers to give feedback on for the proposed rule changes that its no longer happening or its been slipped through behind the scenes without driver consultation …
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Post by interestedbystander on May 23, 2023 16:06:46 GMT 12
So thats the end of the 2022 /2023 season. What happens to the tyre trial now? Will people get to race the ones they own/. I see a guy selling three pairs of em on TM. But is it money thrown down the drain??
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Post by midway on May 23, 2023 16:47:23 GMT 12
A good sales mans gimmick buy three for the price of one Dont forget they are only on trial ,no money back guarantee .
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Post by mudman on May 25, 2023 20:59:41 GMT 12
A good sales mans gimmick buy three for the price of one Dont forget they are only on trial ,no money back guarantee . Buying 3 for the price of 1 just proves how much cheaper than coopers they are! Let’s not worry about the details that they are not from the supplier at full retail and 3 for 1 offers are a rare offering let’s just believe this has made the class cheaper. #moreexpensemakestheclasscheaper
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2023 8:16:20 GMT 12
Need to keep this class as it was designed for.
Nothing stock about them anymore sadly
SNZ are an asss with no clue.
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Post by hienekenno1 on May 27, 2023 10:40:58 GMT 12
Another thing Speedway NZ need to do is make a rule,all Superstock and Stockcars have to run with a body on their cars,there is some pretty ugly cars out there at the moment and makes the sport very unattractive,this coming from a old school Stockcar guy🙂
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Post by martian on May 27, 2023 16:01:26 GMT 12
Tanks never ran with bodies. Even the early ones only had Hillman Imp front pillars So really nothing has changed
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Post by The Observer on May 29, 2023 3:45:27 GMT 12
Tanks never ran with bodies. Even the early ones only had Hillman Imp front pillars So really nothing has changed This was Tank built in the modern era - last of the real tanks built by the General Dave Evans Spot the body
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